Christianity, witchcraft and Satatanic beliefs

These are my beliefs and I write this to open a discusion, to understand others and to hopefully learn. I seek not to convert, convince or sway any other to my beliefs, now thats clear we start. Christianity the great religion of the the last 2000+ years, a religion of blood and lies, I have read much within these pages and even read a statement by a wiccan claiming her practice has brought her closer to her church (christian), how for the Goddess's sake could this be so?. As a witch I deny the exsistance of this make beleive god and worship a Goddess and God both known by many names . I do not question that a man named Jesus was born, the son of God I think not, a great orator and leader yes (probably a witch) but none the less a man as any other. Having read much not the least of being Robert Thortons books on the the witch hunts in the middle ages in Europe and Salem. He exposes the reason why they happened, the constant stuggle against foreigen invaders taxing all Europes resources's and finally the black plague, this was a brief summary.The Jews and Lepers came first to feel the roth of the Holy Bloody Roman Empire the plague was the last straw, women having had their place in village life systematically eroded since the comeing of christianty were now singled out by documents like the Mallius Maleficrium written by the Dominican monk Heinrich Kramer, let me quote "All wickness is but little to the wickness of a woman. what else is woman but a foe to friendship, an unescapable punishment, a neccessary evil, a natural temptation, a desirable calamity, a domestic danger, a delectable detiment, an evil of nature, painted in fair colours" I could go on but I find this sickening, what hope did we hold when for all the troubles striking the church they trot out Witchcraft and innocent women and men are hanged (this is where the term lynched comes from) and worse burned alive, all this for control and wealth by a church with a long and bloody history. For those interested the numbers hanged and burned is varied, as low 20-30.000 to as high as 100.000 + In the fledgeling America in Salem it all started because of 3 young girls and an acusation against some one they had argued with, thanks to the recent trip to Europe by a leading minister, Increase Mather (president of the then Harvard College) and his son Cotton, America got its taste for witch burnings, fear of starvation and Indian attacks set the mood of the people and as sheep they followed, fear of witches and witchcraft runs deep even to this day. Satan the Devil the fallen angel, whatever you may know him as just as witches in Europe tended to gain in notorietie after 1200CE, the very earlyest paintings depict him as a angel in a field dividing sheep (souls) with god, 1 for heaven 1 for hell, somehow he did the wrong thing and was imprisoned for a thousand years, thus the churchs threat after 1000CE he was free and as fear of witches spread so did Satans. Pictures of Satan change dramaticaly from about 1200CE and he grows ever more fearful as am image, I have read SIN'S posts and her profile, yes SIN I admire you, your writtings on what you are I find are everything a modern woman should strive to be, Inderpendent, honest,and understanding the value of self, I will be interested to see if you have anything to add as to how you see "Satan". Well thats about it I'm a witch and proud, I beleive in a Goddess and God both of above and below. Christianity has no place in my life never has never will.

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Permalink Reply by Marc on July 8, 2008 at 7:49am: Are you sure for example that what you call "red" is the same thing with what someone else calls "red"?

If we both look at it and call it red then what does it matter?

Marc

Permalink Reply by SIN on July 8, 2008 at 8:30am: Yes, it does. You both see and understand 'Red' differently. It is subjective, not objective.

Permalink Reply by SIN on July 10, 2008 at 8:50am: But Seachain, I disagree. I believe that it does matter when you consider human understanding and communication. If two people see and understand the color red differently, you have two entirely different ideas; and therefore two different understandings.

My response was to Marc's question 'does it matter?'

I think you have once again, misunderstood my answer.

Permalink Reply by John Allee on July 10, 2008 at 2:10am: But Marc, it gets more complicated than that.

Cats view of mouse = delicious meal
Cats view of you = personal slave
Mouse view of cat = vicious monster
Mouse view of you = large mammal
Your view of cat = precious angel
Your view of mouse = nasty rodent

Permalink Reply by John Allee on July 10, 2008 at 2:22am: We overlay our personal subjective bias onto everything we see. We kill each other over metaphors.

Permalink Reply by SIN on July 10, 2008 at 8:54am: We certainly do Mr. Allee, we certainly do.

Permalink Reply by SIN on July 8, 2008 at 8:29am: Marc, have you studied Hermetic theory? The universe exists within the mind. If you don't have a point of reference for you brain to compute your environment, it does not exist.

i.e. if you have never heard of, seen, touched, or smelled a tree - does it exist?

Permalink Reply by Celticwitch on July 7, 2008 at 3:01am: Greetings Lady Sage. Thank you and Goddess bless you, I am getting rather bored with which christian is or isn't a christian, which bible is or isn't correct, frankly I don't care.
What about as you so correctly mentioned the "Mallieus Maleficarum" . Blessed be.
Celticwitch

Permalink Reply by Pavlor on July 7, 2008 at 3:31am: I hear you, Celticwitch. For me, a personal label is enough.

Permalink Reply by SIN on July 10, 2008 at 9:28am: I tire of the topic that a Christian can not be a Witch. I think if you really sit down and think about it long and hard, you will come to the understanding that it is quite possible and it fits just fine.

Witchery, is the practice of the craft.
Christianity, is a religion.

A Christian can follow the teachings of Christ, and practice witchcraft - despite human understanding of the two.

Witchcraft is not exclusively Pagan; though it can fit under the Pagan umbrella based on incorporating Pagan beliefs.

Witchcraft can also be developed and practiced as a religion itself.

I think what people fail to realize, is their beliefs have been indoctrinated; and its hard to realize they are reciting another man's creed.

Free your mind Celticwitch.

:-P Then your ass will follow.

Permalink Reply by Celticwitch on July 10, 2008 at 10:43am: Greetings SIN, I disagree but that's my right and my ass is just fine thank you, christian witch,Ba hum bug, it will be a dark day when you convince me. Celticwitch

Permalink Reply by Pavlor on July 10, 2008 at 11:07am: Do you see Christianity and the Bible as mutually inclusive, Celticwitch? This maybe your problem trying to get your head round the whole "Christian Witch" conundrum. Surely, if you follow *any* cult, one of the definers is to believe in a central figure, in this case Christ. Christianity is just a big cult which doesn't need the Bible as a back-up. Again, it depends on the perception of Christianity one has, but I personally know Christians who do not believe in the Bible as the word of God.