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The bible? Well in my mind it is man made and full of evil. If I had to choose between serving the Xian god, or his couterpart Satan I would choose Satan. I enjoyed this article and that is why I am posting it. To anyone who is a Christian, I would pose the question "Who is the evil one here? Really?"

The following post was found on the link below: I hope you enjoy it.
~RaggedyGranWitch~

http://daltonator.net/durandal/religion/satan.shtml

Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?

According to Christianity, Satan is the epitome and embodiment of all evil things, described as "the father of all lies" in the Catholic Church's Catechism (paragraph 391). It is his works that tempt humans into doing bad deeds. If something evil occurs, we can be assured that Satan had something to do with it.

The History of Satan

According to Catholicism, Satan only exists because God allows him to (The Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 395). This raises some serious issues about how righteous God can be if he allows evil to exist, but I digress. Satan, as the story goes, began as the angel Lucifer, who outrightly rejected God and rebelled against him. God cast Lucifer and those who followed him into Hell, a place of eternal torture and despair, where God was not present.

Like any good propoganda machine, Christian authorities have made sure to limit the disenimation of information on the enemy (Satan) to what they want the public to know. For example, we are never told why Satan rebelled against God. We're never given his side of the story. Were Satan's reasons for rejecting God and attempting to overthrow him legitimate? From where I'm standing, they could certainly be considered valid if the authorities see fit to hide them from the general public.

For example, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the book that outlines Catholic beliefs in detail, has barely half a column in its index devoted to Satan and information on him, where as Jesus Christ has a full 6 pages! Sound like a propoganda machine to you, yet?

Christian authorities have made some big mistakes with their anti-Satan propoganda machine, however. Since there is so little information available about Satan, there is no record of anything he's done or any way to connect events to him. Christians simply and lazily accredit evil occurences to Satan. A good example are the events of September 11. Within weeks, a doctored picture was floating around the internet showing Satan's face in the clouds of smoke and debris eminating from the two towers, thus unfairly making Satan out to be responsible for these tragedies.

Satan vs. God

The only evidence we have to conclude Satan's utter evil is God's word, and frankly, God's word isn't worth too much. He's shown a remarkable inconsistency in his actions and words, and he's hardly above lying or dishonest conduct. Straight after giving Moses the first set of Ten Commandments (which included "Thou shalt not kill"), he let Moses go ahead and order the Levites to go on a mass-murdering rampages, which they did, but only after he talked God out of killing all the people! According to 2 Thessolonians 2:11-12, God will send a strong illusion to people so that they will believe lies, so he can condemn everyone to Hell. After giving Moses the Ten Commandments, God orchestrated a litany of atrocities through isoltated commandments that are simply too great in number to list here. I suggest checking out the The Skeptic's Annotated Bible to see for yourself, specifically this section. These events are detailed in Exodus 32. In 2 Chronicles 18:22, God lies to prophets. Why should anyone take his word at face value if he has no problem with lying to us for no reason other than to have an excuse to condemn us to Hell?

Who's more evil? God or Satan? How can we determine this? Well, it's a simple matter of looking at the actions of both God and Satan. Who's commited more evil acts? Who's done more harm to humanity? Who's been the most oppressive? Is Satan really as bad as the Christian Smear Campaign makes him out to be? Let's find out...

God

•God takes away Adam and Eve's eternal life, thus commiting the first murder, and holds their descendants responsible and visiting Adam and Eve's punishment down on their children. In today's moral standards, the sins of the father die with the father.
•God destroys all life on Earth in a great flood, except for a drunk (Noah) and his family, for failing to worship him.
•God's tenth plague upon the Israelites was the unjustified murder of all firstborn sons in Egypt, which undoubtedly included little children.
•Before sending the plagues to Egypt, God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" so that he wouldn't let the Israelites go, so he could have an excuse to visit horrible plagues upon them, like boils, killing cattle and murdering all firstborn sons. (Exodus 4:21)
•God orders the Levites to kill their "every man and his neighnor" for worshipping another god. This cost 3000 lives. (Exodus 32:27)
•God sends a plague to the Israelites, apparently feeling that mass-butchery wasn't enough of a punishment. (Exodus 32:35)
•God kills Onan for refusing to impregnate his late brother's (whom God also slew) wife and instead "spilling his seed on the ground." (Genesis 38:8-10)
•God kills the entire populations of Soddom and Gammorah (again, including women, children and infants) for practicing certain sexual techniques.
•God gives all Philistines hemorrhoids in their pubic areas. (1 Samuel 5:9)
•God kills over 50,000 people for looking at an ark. (1 Samuel 6:19)
•God kills 70,000 people because King David decided to have a census. (1 Chronicles 21:7-14)
•God approves of slavery, and instructs owners to beat their slaves. (Proverbs 29:19)
•And, finally, God makes sure that if you are guilty of even the smallest transgression, you shall suffer endlessly for all eternity, following a dramatic homecoming for Jesus, who will be extremely pissed off at everyone for putting him to death, even though it was just the Romans and even though he knew what was going to happen beforehand, and he could have easily avoided it by using his power as God to perform a miracle and prove who he was. (See the entire book of Revelation)
Satan

•Satan, like Prometheus, gave knowledge to humanity by giving Eve the fruit from the forbidden tree. Because of Satan, humanity gained knowledge of good and evil, according to Genesis. Since we couldn't have possessed knowledge of good and evil before eating the fruit, Adam and Eve couldn't have known that eating the fruit was evil, so it seems a little harsh to punish them as severely as God did. Satan gave humans true capacity for moral judgment, unlike God, who simply expected everyone to mindlessly obey his orders.
•There is no biblical record of Satan engaging in the murder of torture of any human being, unlike God, who is guilty (and proudly guilty) of commiting genocide.
•There is no biblical record of Satan ever ordering someone to kill someone else, unlike God, who has repeatedly demanded the deaths of those who commit even the smallest of offenses.
•Satan will not be holding a massively dramatic ceremony full of blood and death for the return of his son to Earth. God apparently will.


It doesn't take a mathematician to add up and compare God and Satan's respective body counts. God has, after all, killed billions of people in a great flood. Satan never did anything like that. What was the only thing Satan did "wrong"? He rebelled against God, but wouldn't you? Look at what kind of a God he is! He needlessly murders people in nearly every book and passage of the Old Testament! He created an entire race of people for the sole purpose of catoring to his own ego, and then gets mad when we don't live up to our appointed role in life or question one of his decisions! He is a ruthless, dictatorial, narcissistic, sociopathic mass murderer. If I go to Hell for not worshipping him, so much the better. I'd rather spend eternity with Satan, someone who hasn't treated the human race like disposable garbage, someone who has given knowledge to humanity rather than trying to suppress it.

It's time to stop this needless slandering of Satan's name. Satan has done nothing to deserve it. He hasn't killed anyone, publicly exonerated slavery, demanded our worship or threatened us with eternal damnation for not doing his bidding. It is God who is guilty of all these crimes. Satan's done nothing but rebel against a repugnantly unjust authority figure, and he gets eternal damnation and association and blame for all evil on Earth! Meanwhile, Martin Luther King, Jr. gets a holiday named after him, and Satan was far more courageous that King was. After all, Satan stood up to an all powerful narcissist who made it clear that he never would change his mind on any issue. King at least had a democracy to work with. The Christian Smear Campaign toward Satan is completely unwarranted. Maybe, before criticizing Satan, they should look at the God they worship. Is Satan really a bad guy? Certainly not in comparison to God. In fact, I'd much rather have Satan running things. He just can't be worse than God.

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"good propoganda machine"

Said it here.
Satan's not that bad of a guy. He has a great sense of humor but I can't stand his cooking. His barbeque is WAY too hot for my liking! ;D

P.L.
Strange that you recommend that One Peter!
Its a Little Confusing For those who may not Be Totally Familiar with the Concepts!

Here it Is!

http://www.essene.com/GospelOfPeace/peace1.html
OK...lets Say It!

in TRUTH...the Christians are THE REAL anti-christs..

The REAL SATAN is the One Who is Pretending NOT to Be Satan...
and The Satanists are Following The REAL GOD!
except that they are NOT, Because its GOD dressed up as satan,
and Therefore The REAL Satan, But GOD and SATANas ONE entity
BUT BOTH...
at the SAME time!

Its Like an optical illusion...
Spinning AROUND....

and Then You
clearly SEE..thatits ALL ONE...

and Nothing actually Exists and Everything Exists
all at the same time,
That suffering WILL end,
That DEATH is only another Begining,
We Die Every day,

WE (humans) cause the Suffering,
But Only a Unification Of Though and Purpose,
can Change The Conditioning OF Millenia!

Thats When wars will STOP..
not getting angry Of past Troubles..
BUT
simply


.........BEING..........




Its Totally Confusing
but YES
Thats the TRUTH
LOL!
tsk tsk Peter peter!

Its GREAT though!

this IS an Excellent Thread!
Totally!

The FACT is that the GOD or The SATAN..
Being BOTH ONE

are Equally Existing and NOT existing Also at The same Time..
Personified and yet NOT personified!
and Utterly Illusory!

They are Also Both..NOT and ARE the Sum total Of EVERYTHING..
ALL in ONE..as WE are Equally ALL in ONE

its ALL imagination at the End Of The day!
Would you Not agree??

and Yet Its REAL...and Not REAL...at the same Time.
Limited ONLY by Perception and Driven By Conditioning!
Since I don't believe in Satan, it really doesn't matter, does it?

Seriously though, The bible is a collection of tales/fables meant to help a people who died before the age of 30 due to literally Old Age and starvation. The bible and the preachings of "Jesus" offered hope to people who labored as slaves until death by cruel kings or Nobility.
The basic premise is still the same no matter what you believe or worship.

Be nice to your friends. If you want something work hard for it, don't steal it. Don't eat things your not sure about.

The rest of it.. scary stuff about the real first Serial killer.. only one who calls himself a god.

As for "God", Good old Yahweh, Yeah hes Lunatic who cant be bothered to do his own murdering but sends angels to do. Even though I'm sure it was pretty confusing for them because his first order is "Guard and protect my humans. Teach them all that you know."
and Now "go kill them, they pissed me off."

Also this is a god who after "Leading his people to freedom" in Egypt, then left them to wander in a desert for 40 years because he was angry with them for not asking directions.
.. Yeah.. Lets sign on for this crazy train.

Do I think MorningGlory is evil? No. I think he got smart to get out of dodge when he could when he realized that Yahweh's version of 'free will' included murdering everyone who didn't agree with him. Or condemning them to hell.
And I have questions on that. What is Hell in that loonies mind? Not being trapped with him in a
non ending worship fest. ... Again.. Not wanting to go.

I do believe that the X-tian machine uses "Satan" and his devils/demons to scary and terrify people into what is considered 'good Christian behavior.'
you know, bombing hospitals/murdering doctors and nurses that provide abortions and throwing things at scared women and girls who are just trying to live their lives. Or telling their congregations that Pokemon is evil and a book series, Harry Potter, is converting children to "Black Magic".

Do I believe demons exist, yes. Fallen Celestials have been noted by ancient Japanese, having left their place in the 'heavens'(More than one! ha!) to come and torment those it once guarded.
Do they belong to exclusively to Satan? I doubt it but who knows. My question is can the fearful belief of Satan create the monster that the Christians so fear?
Very True Dear Brother!
Thank you for Your additions!

Hopefully it can Help Someone!

VVV



I do not believe in the bible ...nor do I believe in actual god/satan entities..although each one of us has a right to their opinions and beliefs where this is concerned. But when I think back to my life as an xian (*gags) I can hardly believe the bullshit I consumed believing it to be truth.

I would love to ask 'believers' why they are afraid of us 'outsiders'. I mean really. Who is the one worshipping a murdering, child molesting, lying, judgemental, egotistical, self righteous, raping, animal and human sacrificing, selfish asshole? It's the christian god, (among other man made gods imho), who are/is evil.

But I remember how deceived I was and for so much of my life. I am just glad I finally found my way out of it all. I would never go back. Never. And as I said before, if there were real entities, I would choose Satan, hand over fist over the xian god.

I'm glad this has sparked an interesting conversation. I await more responses!
~RGW~
:) I'm glad I did. I enjoy everyones comments!
~RGW~
OMGs what a day! EVERY freakin' time I tried to get on PaganSpace or answer a post, I got booted to the NING site. It was sooo frustrating! Wait a minute.... Could it be.... SATAN?!?!?!? (best church lady impression) LOLOL

Seriously, IMO, satan is an invention of the early christian church to SCARE people into compliance and to use as a scape goat for our own evil deeds. The christian idea of god kind of reminds me of a psychotic serial killer. Pretty freakin' scary and not someone I want to "worship" or even hang out with for a little while, LOL.

Peace Lily has spoken!! bwahahahahaha!!!! :D
ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!! Oh god...the Church Lady! Ahhh I needed that! Thanks woman!
I love ya!
~Me~

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