Abortion vs. fraternal rights...
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Permalink Reply by Psyche on -
I have a question for you. When a man ejaculates during intercourse are they responsible? And what is a man supposed to do hit up every booty call he took? the truth is a man is only responsible when he wants to be. The truth is the woman has to deal with carrying that baby.
If he doesn't want a child then he should wear a condom or keep his pants on.
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Permalink Reply by Dragonfly Dream ॐ Blood Moon on -
And how do you MAKE a man do anything?, let alone stop, take a deep breath and put a condom on... It;s up to the man to do that without being MADE to, and it's also up to the women if she is sexing around to take birth control as well as use the condom for sickness.... It's called being responsible adults:
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Permalink Reply by Kixs on -
only if they agree to a vasectomy, so the goverment doesn't have to keep supporting their un-wanted get.
Don't get me wrong, I think women that use abortion as birth control should also have a tubel procedure.
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Permalink Reply by Devil Sexton on -
I literally just put this up to debate in chat and amongst my friends on other social media sites, few people were able to come up with a solution agreeable on all sides, go figure :/
Though if a father wants a child that the woman decides not to keep, it's really just sad. I feel for them, and I think it's a level of sexism to not let the father have a say.
That being said, it's impossible to get around the fact that women have to harbor the child for 9 months.
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Permalink Reply by Vigdisdotter on -
Until men can gestate the fetus themselves there is no "fair" in this equation. It's the woman's body, it's the woman's choice.
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Permalink Reply by Kristina Karina on -
Historically,
The reality has been "Momma's baby, daddy's maybe... ".
Women in non-Third World countries have so many more options open to them than women everywhere else in the world (to really get riled up about non-sustainable policies regarding women and reproduction, go here: Global access to birth control ).
I have never advocated the dirty trick that women in Western culture often play, and which I call the "catholic marriage proposal" where the woman says "Um, btw you got me knocked up ...".
Biology doesn't care about issues of fairness or morality: saying to your ovaries, "But he said he was going to pull out!" is NOT going to keep you from being impregnated. Fair or not, the issue of contraception seems to fall upon the woman (Personally, I think all humans should be sterilized starting NOW) ...
Now, the planet is being burgeoned with 6.5 BILLION too many humans than the ecosystem can support.
"... consider this salient point about increase in consumption-population ratios: 'In the U.S., total consumption of virgin raw materials was 17 times greater in 1989 than it was in 1900, compared with a threefold increase in population.' (Young 1995a)
We must choose between starting now to reduce our population, or move rapidly toward apocalypse."
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Permalink Reply by Kixs on
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The unavailablity of birth control around the world sucks. But I don't live around the world, I live here in the United States, and in this free country the unavailability of birth control should be illegal. But it's not. There are only laws to make it unavailble. Get politics and religion out of peoples personal business and they will do the right thing. The world population will drop, and quickly.
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Permalink Reply by Kristina Karina on
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"An awareness is growing that our planet is becoming overpopulated. Harper's, a widely read magazine, has repeatedly published full-page advertisements stating that, unless restrained, the U.S. population, now 300 million, will rise to 400 million within 30 years. Increasing demand for water, food, housing, recreational sites, and other resources are a natural result of increased population.
Recent examples given by UN Earthwatch clarify this understanding. To wit: The 20 per cent of us who live in industrial nations use 80 per cent of the world's aluminium, 81 per cent of its paper, 89 per cent of its iron and steel, and 76 per cent of its timber. An average citizen of the U.S. during his or her lifetime contributes to the use of 540 tons of construction supplies, 18 tons of paper, 23 tons of wood, 16 tons of various metals, and 32 tons of chemicals."
~ Clearly people, and especially ones in the U.S. are NOT choosing to "do the right thing".
The next statement said,"Get politics and religion out of peoples personal business and they will do the right thing. The world population will drop, and quickly." This is a prime example of zero veridicality, and it illustrates this statement very well:
"our world is filled with biased learning sources and our own thinking is subject to certain subconscious tendencies predisposing us to believe in ideas having little or no validity outside of our heads and/or we are apt to confabulate spontaneously (make up on the fly)."
http://emergent-culture.com/the-delusions-the-deluders-and-the-truth/
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but alas, I digress...
~K
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Permalink Reply by Kixs on
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Actually our over use of resourses has little to do with our population. It has to do with us having 4 televisions and 2 computers, and ipads, and 2 or 3 cars, plus a motorcycle, plus, plus, plus. Shipping in almost 65% of the food we eat and shipping out 80% of the food we grow and throwing away food, at least enough to feed another whole country daily. By the way, everyone wants 4 televisions, but very few want 10 kids. Everyone in this country has a choice whether to buy 4 televisions, but many women have no choice about having 10 kids.
I'm sure if birthcontrol was available for free to all females and males with out religious or goverment restrictions more people would use it. It is after all a capitalest system here and it's exspensive to raise children and without all the extra kids sucking up family dollars they can buy more stuff they don't need.
Have one kid and it and them both can have all the stuff they want or have 10 kids and no one gets enough of anything. Believe me folks would only have one and many would have none. Population goes down. Then we can get to work on the over usage of resources education.
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Permalink Reply by Barrackubus on -
I am not arguing im asking. Back to the man that should have put a condom on, in fairness the thought process about the birth control thought process, should also be considered by the female or mother as well before sexual.intercourse.
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