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Abortion vs. fraternal rights...

I live in a country where abortion and rights to have a procedure done is hotly bldebated politically, socially and al other levels of our human social structure. It has stemmed alot of debate concerning the rights and choices of women and the right to do what they feel is right for them. But in al this debate it has caused another question that concerns the rights of the fathers and may has lead.to.a great miscarriage of representation on their behalf. For instance if a woman chooses to have an abortion the opinion of the father whether he is wanting offspring is brought to mute. However if in a woman chooses to bring a child to fruition and give birth and the father has no desire to have children or take care of a offspring due to many of the same reasons advocates give for keeping abortion legal, due to.econimics, environment etc. all the could bes and might bes. Wouldnt it be as fair to give this father an opportunity to give up his parental rights very much the same way an abortion would if decided.early on. It isnt fair to assume that if this right is given that more.fathers would choose not to be responsible. It just isnt fair to pick a persons pocket for.something he didnt want when the same choice to.terminate or not terminate is available for women from the.moment of conception.

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Permalink Reply by Psyche on April 13, 2012 at 9:36pm

So your implying that a man shouldn't have to take care of a child they helped bring into the world?  

Permalink Reply by Vigdisdotter on April 13, 2012 at 10:10pm

Logic, I dont believe the logic.

And thus there is no point it paying attention to you or the contents of your posts.  So run along and troll somewhere else.

Permalink Reply by Amberhawk on April 15, 2012 at 2:34pm

OK, I'm sorry, his one caught me.

If you don't believe in logic than why are you trying to logistisize a man's right to women's body choices and needs regarding pregnancy and abortion?

This either makes you look like a hypocrite or an idiot... at this point I don't think the odds look good for your argument here.

 PLEASE NOTE: I did not call him either, I just said what it looks like.

Permalink Reply by Barrackubus on April 13, 2012 at 10:01pm
Also within my state a woman has the right to abandon post birth parental.control within a period of time after conception all she has to do is abandon baby at any public facility such as a hospital, stating her intent, and sometimes the reasons for abandonment might be prety much for the same reasons a man maynot be ready to be a father.
Permalink Reply by Vigdisdotter on April 13, 2012 at 11:07pm

So WHAT?  Why should she give up nine months of her life as well a her health to carry the fetus to term?

Permalink Reply by Barrackubus on April 14, 2012 at 11:54am
Im not saying that.....read ok read what im asking......first of all I am not implying we take away, limit the access or deny the right of abortion, thats not what I am saying, I am asking a different set of questions that are also applicable to a pregnancy. If a woman has the right to choose, birth control, abortion and even all the way up to total abandonment of fetus/child, all choices protected by the laws of man, then why tell me, why it is not correct for a man to choose whether or not he wants to be a father. When all the choices given to our ladies is essentially in intent the answer for them to the same question.
Permalink Reply by Vigdisdotter on April 14, 2012 at 11:59am

Yes that IS what you're saying.

Oh, wait, you don't believe in logic.  So you won't even acknowledge the explanation,; no point in my bothering.  Carry on troll.

Permalink Reply by Kadactyl on April 14, 2012 at 12:02pm

The man's choice whether or not to be a father is made when he has sex. A consequence of sex is babies, even with protection sometimes. It isn't totally fair, but life isn't. 

Permalink Reply by Barrackubus on April 14, 2012 at 12:41pm
Then to imply that a man has more of a value of responsibility or forethought that should equally be applied to her, is to automatically put yourself at the back of the bus, so to speak, by admission alone you are implying that to some degree that women are less than a man, and that is not at all true, men and women are equal......
Permalink Reply by Vigdisdotter on April 14, 2012 at 1:01pm

You're seeing what you want to see, not what's there.  Try again or illogical one.

Permalink Reply by Barrackubus on April 14, 2012 at 2:04pm
How am I seeing what is not there, what I am seeing is an inbalance or unequality based upon sexism alone. What about forgivness or grace, men have in fact trampled the rights of women, undoubtedly so. But in the interest of pregnancy its understanding is yes shes pregnant but it isnt her fault. Society has a problem with fault, nothing wants to be anybodies fault, so it has to be someone elses, so I as a woman have options since being pregnant legally isnt her fault, nor is being a mother after birth sense she can legally abandon her child, all because it isnt her fault shes pregnant. Its the mans fault all of it is, all the while the same choices and responsibility of the same things he should have, would have, could have done, to prevent pregnancy is also equally her responsibility as well, is sexist, overly femininest, and stereotypical.
Permalink Reply by Regan RayRay Denmire on April 14, 2012 at 2:18pm

^^^^what???? I do not understand what you are trying to say here...when it comes to birth control, I feel like it is both parties responsiblility. If I do not want children, then I use birth control, and if a man does not want children he should use birth control. If I choose not to, and I get pregnant, then it becomes MY choice if I want to keep it. You are missing the fundamental point of this topic...it is MY body and NOBODY has a right to tell me what to do or not do with MY body!

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