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Abortion vs. fraternal rights...

I live in a country where abortion and rights to have a procedure done is hotly bldebated politically, socially and al other levels of our human social structure. It has stemmed alot of debate concerning the rights and choices of women and the right to do what they feel is right for them. But in al this debate it has caused another question that concerns the rights of the fathers and may has lead.to.a great miscarriage of representation on their behalf. For instance if a woman chooses to have an abortion the opinion of the father whether he is wanting offspring is brought to mute. However if in a woman chooses to bring a child to fruition and give birth and the father has no desire to have children or take care of a offspring due to many of the same reasons advocates give for keeping abortion legal, due to.econimics, environment etc. all the could bes and might bes. Wouldnt it be as fair to give this father an opportunity to give up his parental rights very much the same way an abortion would if decided.early on. It isnt fair to assume that if this right is given that more.fathers would choose not to be responsible. It just isnt fair to pick a persons pocket for.something he didnt want when the same choice to.terminate or not terminate is available for women from the.moment of conception.

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Permalink Reply by Barrackubus on April 15, 2012 at 3:55pm
No it is more about the stringing of lies coupled together that we are expected to believe in order to make the possible for women to have the choice. The insane logic it rests upon, does it all of a sudden make it correct. Is it correct to assume based upon sexism that a man or woman is less or more responsible than the other. Is it okay that because a woman is pregnant that she is any less responsible legally than a man for being pregnant. And because she is legally less or.just.not responsible for being pregnat these same powers that has alloted these choices with this language, could in fact at some point use the same legeslation to force abortion upon those that would not choose to have one, given the fact that she does not have to be responsible.
Permalink Reply by Vigdisdotter on April 15, 2012 at 4:38pm

Your illogic is showing again, oh trolling one.

Permalink Reply by Barrackubus on April 15, 2012 at 5:21pm
No if a man doesnt want to be a father then his legal right to do so should his choice, as much as a womans chiice should be respected if she decides not to be a mother......what one can do the other should have same right, and at the time of or at sex should not be his only not to, because it isnt a womans only option.
Permalink Reply by TuathaSidhe Jem on April 15, 2012 at 10:10pm

If a "father" can opt out of being a parent simply because he doesn't want to be, that means that the woman can to right? Ok, so, lets say the woman decides to carry and have the baby. She should be able to just say "ok I don't really want to be a mom now"...where does the baby go? See, the thing is, its not so easy for women to walk away. Even in some states its considered abandonment. Although some states have it now to were a baby can be dropped off at a church or hospital or some other "safe place" and no questions are asked, its not like this everywhere. What of those places that don't have that? So she wants to have an abortion, the "father" says no, she carries to term...lets say with the intent of him taking over afterwards..he decides while she is pregnant (after to late for an abortion) that he changed his mind...that leaves her where? We can play the who's'its what's'its hows and whys all day long, none of it does any good. It is not a man's place to decide this. If a man does not like it, then he can either not have sex, or make damn sure that whoever he is with is on the same page as him before hand. The *only* option I could see, would be the option keyword for the man to offer some sort of compensation to the women for carrying and giving birth to the baby, with him taking over completely after that (and not going after her for anything further). That *might* work..in some cases, but even with that there's to much in the way of "possibles".

Permalink Reply by Thyella Mahdokht on April 15, 2012 at 5:38pm

hold up if the guy doesn't want the child he can sign away his parental rights meaning he won't ever have the child in his life and he won't ever have to pay for it.  That is  the mans right.

Other than unless the mans wife get pregnant he should have any say at all because it is not his body, but even then I'm not sure the man should have any say.  Because there are men that forcibly impregnating women.  There are even men who get women pregnant just so they can make the women get an abortion.

plus if the guy didn't want a baby he should have used a condom or maybe just not have sex at all.  If a women forgets to use protection then its her right to take care of the problem. 

Permalink Reply by Simon Wilson on April 15, 2012 at 5:51pm

There was this old fashioned idea about women being reserved and modest and not putting themselves about etc. once upon a time and it seems that nowadays this idea has dissolved in many western cultures and slowly across the world. With the contraception and protections people have available now why shouldn't responsible people have a little fun?

 

The thing is if your going to sacrifice modesty and reservedness. If your going to be the kind of man who has sex with a woman out of wedlock or the kind of woman who has sex with a man out of wedlock you have actually be responsible and more importantly pick your bed mates carefully, i.e. don't sleep with people you think are irresponsible.

 

I hope no-one thinks I'm judging here because I as good as the rest had my fun before I got married and settled down. I was moderately careful and operated by a certain set of standards and managed to not leave anything cooking that might burn and stink up my kitchen later.

 

Now that I'm getting a little older and the testosterone doesn't quite have as much of a grip on my behaviour as it would of when i was say, 18, I can say i look at old fashioned values and can appreciate them.

 

This said when shit happens, shit happened and you can't change that. A guy can't make a woman go through 9 months of pregnancy, give birth and raise his child if he's not married her and if she doesn't want to marry him and keep his child then he has to accept he didn't exactly go there covering his bases before hand did he?

 

The institution of marriage is not a joke, it comes with various religious and lawful bindings. It protects people from each other at the end of the day. Yes it's about control to a certain extent but if control is about fairness and decency then people need to be willing to submit themselves to that element of restriction in their lives and not complain when they chose to be a little more free and unchained and it goes tits up.

Permalink Reply by Barrackubus on April 15, 2012 at 11:00pm
Exactly because of "so, I dont want to be a mommy now...." Is why, birth control, abortion and abandonment options are available to women all over, why is it not fair for a man to have the same option whether or not a woman keeps a child, that is fair, because a man maynot want to be a father now, but it is perfectly fair to force him in the same manner a woman doesnt feel as though she shouldnt be forced......
Permalink Reply by TuathaSidhe Jem on April 15, 2012 at 11:43pm

"birth control, abortion and abandonment options are available to women all over"

No, no they are not. The *only* option a man does not have that a woman has is the abortion one. Everything else is going to depend on a lot of factors that we cannot base a law off of, because they are going to be so varied. Seeing as a man's not able to get pregnant, he'll never have that option. Life isn't fair and speaking of *only* the issue of abortion it never will be fair. As far as I am concerned, if something is so worried about these things..man OR woman, then they do things *before* they jump into bed with someone. BOTH men and woman can...use protection and talk to their partner before hand. Beyond that, its a roll of the dice and you suck it up and deal with it. In the end the father *has* no rights over a womans body. If he doesn't like it, then he can not have sex or make sure the woman he's with feels the same as he does, and ALWAYS use protection. If a guy doesn't use protection willingly, then IMO all his say is forfeit.

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