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All witches should have abortions so they don't breed their evil.

All witches should have abortions so they don't breed their evil. This was an e-mail that was recently sent somehow directly to me from someone I will not name. Needles to say it angered me quiet a bit, but it also raised a few questions. With all the info out there these days with womens right to choose, I began to wonder specifically about the wiccan and witch view on abortion, since it was never a discussion amongst my teachers. So to get  overall view I'm asking.

What as a witch/wiccan is your view of abortion?

What do you feel should be more or less public about it within wicca/occult communities?

Should we set a standard in regards to it? Why?

How d you fee it impacts the rede? The three-fold law?

What should we do regarding haters such as the e-mail I recieved?

Do you or anyone you know experience a negative or positive result after having an abortion within the pagan community?

 

A NOTE HERE: As of 5/30/11, since this discussion developed a side topic off the original I have set up a seperate discussion on this. Karma, Three-Fold Law, Aferlife and Consequences. This can be found in the general discussions area. Thankyou!

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What as a witch/wiccan is your view of abortion?

 

I am witch, not Wiccan. It's a personal choice IMO. I am neither for nor against really.

 

What do you feel should be more or less public about it within wicca/occult communities?

 

As its an individual thing IMO, there really isnt anything to be made more/less public.

 

Should we set a standard in regards to it? Why?

 

Can't set standards to something with such vast difference of opinions within the occult/pagan/etc community. 

 


How d you fee it impacts the rede? The three-fold law?

 

I am not Wiccan, I do not believe in the three fold law

 

 

What should we do regarding haters such as the e-mail I recieved?

 


Do you or anyone you know experience a negative or positive result after having an abortion within the pagan community?

 

No.

What as a witch/wiccan is your view of abortion? If it's life threatening, abort.

What do you feel should be more or less public about it within wicca/occult communities? Personal choice.

Should we set a standard in regards to it? Why? I hate standards, they're like someones personal views crammed down someone elses throat. I have mine, they work for me.

How d you fee it impacts the rede? The three-fold law? I do not follow the rede or the three fold law.

What should we do regarding haters such as the e-mail I recieved? Ignore.

Do you or anyone you know experience a negative or positive result after having an abortion within the pagan community? no

When I was younger we had a hospital in our town called Saint Joseph's Hospital. It was run by an order of Catholic Nuns. It was the only hospital with a Maternity Unit in. One of my friends went there for an abortion because of her health and the Nuns tried to talk her out of getting it. While my friend was there a young Jewish girl came in for an abortion and got it, no questions asked and no brainwashing attempted. Could it be that the powers that be find it okay to perform abortions on Jewish women. The very thought of it makes me sick.

This is not really on topic but I thought I'd share anyway.

women are made to create life, we are like the Goddess n that way, we can give birth and nurture(men can nurture too but i have yet to see a man give birth lol)...but sometimes,  circumstances dictate that its not healthy or feasible to carry that life...but its always the womans choice.  as for the person/people sending you those emails...i kno its hard to ignore, especially if u have a temper like i do, but all they want is to get a rise from u.  they get their jollys from annoying other people.  ignore it, and if it gets worse, use your own judgement on wat to do.  geez i sound like im tellin ya wat to do...sorry thats not wat im tryin to do lol.

What as a witch/wiccan is your view of abortion?

I'm pro-choice.

 

What do you feel should be more or less public about it within wicca/occult communities?

Since, in my opinion, a spiritual system is not by its definition a moral code...I don't think it's an issue of an occult nature. It's a personal, and for many political, issue.

 

Should we set a standard in regards to it? Why?

Why would we? It's a personal choice.

 

How d you fee it impacts the rede? The three-fold law?

I think this is an interesting question. I think both are BS...but if you want to look at them as valid (which I don't, but playing Devil's Advocate)..."an harm none" may or may not apply. When does life begin? Does it count to abort a mass of cells like you would if you removed an appendix or picked a scab? Are you truly removing a life and if so does it actually cause harm? Would it be harm to continue an unwanted pregnacy? If you ask me it's more harm done to bring an unwanted child into the world than to end the pregnancy. The three fold law...well I guess if you're a strict follower of it it depends on the situation. If it's an abortion that would in effect save the mother's life...I can't see a case for it applying. I'd basically make the above arguments for this too.

 

What should we do regarding haters such as the e-mail I recieved?

Honestly? Ignore them or educate them...but what they want is a negative reaction. They want to stir the pot so to speak...so to deprive them of a reason to continue to hate, but to either ignore them entirely or try to educate them and effectively end or lessen the hatred would, probably, be unexpected. But if you're going to try to educate, you need to be calm and not get worked up or emotional.

Do you or anyone you know experience a negative or positive result after having an abortion within the pagan community?

I don't know anyone who has had an abortion period and I haven't had one...but I don't think a negative reaction to such would be a result of being pagan...just one's personal feelings on the subject.

What as a witch/wiccan is your view of abortion?

Honestly my view on abortion is the same as it was before I became Wiccan.  It's a choice.


What do you feel should be more or less public about it within wicca/occult communities?

I think it's a personal choice and shouldn't have to be made public


Should we set a standard in regards to it? Why?

Nope, it's a personal choice in my opinion


How d you fee it impacts the rede? The three-fold law?

I don't think the rede applies to this.  But it's a long story why I feel this way and don't have time to post it all here right now.

 

What should we do regarding haters such as the e-mail I recieved?

There will always be people like that.. just ignore them.. those things have no power unless you give them power.   Now, if violence comes of it, then you should take some kind of action but unless that has come about, ignore it.

 

Do you or anyone you know experience a negative or positive result after having an abortion within the pagan community?

I don't think an experience in this kind of thing would have much to do with your being Pagan.. unless it's to do with the "harm none" and how strongly someone believes in that.  I personally don't think it applies myself.

Wow, this is a hot button issue. Although I may get some hate for this, here are my two cents:

 

First, I do believe all life is sacred, and I do my best not to harm any of it. That being said, I do support women's rights to choose how large her family will be, up to and including having an abortion if regular birth control measures fail.

 

I hear a lot of people say they are okay with abortion if the mother is a teenager, unwed, a rape survivor, etc. But no one ever addresses the women who ARE married, already have children, and just can't afford or simply don't want another. People don't want to admit that it happens, but this was the case with my family. My mother admitted to me that she's had an abortion, and although I don't know if it was before or after I was born, I can't imagine how much more difficult our lives would have been trying to support another person on our income. We aren't poor, but we are definitely working class, and we live carefully and frugally.

 

I don't blame my mother for not wanting a second child, especially since she herself was one of five children, and watched her own mother squeeze every penny to keep them clothed, clean, and fed. I'm sure we could have made it work somehow if my mother had a second child, but growing up in such a large family made her want to keep hers small. 

 

However, in cases such as that, where the child is healthy and not the result of rape, I feel that the first trimester is the cut off limit. After that the brain is beginning to develop to the point that the fetus is no longer a little lump of parasitic flesh, it's a separate human being, and I can't in good conscious agree with aborting it.

I miss a juicy reference to dirty sex in this e-mail you wrote about. This way it is rather incomplete.
I am very strongly Pro-Life.

What as a witch/wiccan is your view of abortion? Its better than abusing a child and not giving the up for adoption

What do you feel should be more or less public about it within wicca/occult communities? Whatever we want, its up to each individuals decision

Should we set a standard in regards to it? Why? no, because its dumb to do that

How do you feel it impacts the rede? The three-fold law? it doesnt

What should we do regarding haters such as the e-mail I recieved? as long as the individual exists there will be people hating them. Just ignore them.

Do you or anyone you know experience a negative or positive result after having an abortion within the pagan community? I know someone who was raped and got prego from it. She decided to have the child aborted because she thought she wouldnt be loving towards it considering the way it was conceived and she knew the kid would not have a happy life at her home nor knowing that it gave her up.

I believe that it is not a religious issue, it's a women's issue outside of the context of religion.

I have had two abortions.  I also have two daughters.  it doesn't have to be all or nothing.

i think it is a damn shame that we as a country feel we have to be ashamed to "admit" when we've had to terminate a pregnancy.

the pagan community is so very varied when it comes to beliefs and personal morels that "setting a standard" only invites anger and bigotry and division.

"the rede" is just a poem.  nothing more.  it's not a morality law.

same thing with that rediculous "three-fold law"  it is nothing.  if you personally believe in moral retrobution that might be fine for you, but no one is held to it.  it is not univeral.  hell, it's not even wiccan.  it's just a neopagan concept that has been falsely published as some sort of magical bogeyman.

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