I'm baaack, and had an interesting thought inspired from this discussion that got me thinking and though it might merit its own discussion.
There are some Pagans (not on the site; ones that I've conversed with elsewhere. The thread just reminded me) who feel that someone should only worship deities from their area/country/etc. Americans are kinda screwed in that regard. We get told to stay away from Native American deities if we are not Native American, and yet we are not from Europe, Asia etc obviously. The Voodoo practitioners want us to GTFO off the Lwa. That cuts away virtually all other named deities.
And I don't see the logic in the region approach. America is a young country and we don't have the rich pagan history other countries have.
I am not attacking anyone. I am curious as to what the masses think. Please forgive my shoddy wording; it's been a long night.
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Permalink Reply by Aikaterine Nekyia on September 17, 2012 at 9:23am ^ THIS
I use the Greek Gods as well.
what is the name of the god of the isrealites ??
Permalink Reply by TuathaSidhe Jem on September 17, 2012 at 9:11am Honestly I don't care what they think. If we are going to go by the logic that we shouldn't worship a deity unless we live or are from there, then almost no one should be worshiping anything. Some religions and deities traveled as their worshipers traveled, mixing in the other local faiths as they settled, etc etc. So the thinking makes no sense to me.
Permalink Reply by Ritalin-Bunny on September 17, 2012 at 9:48am I can get my mind around the concept to a degree. It doesn't bother me if a person mixes and matches everything into a swirl, still to the practitioner of a refined and set order or religion, it could be galling.
There are Heathens that have a territorial element to the practice that involves regionalism. I'm to understand this is because certain sacred places where communion with deities specific to the spirituality are involved in the belief. If I'm correct in this premise then it would be farcical to try and commune with that deity in Chicago, particularly if you were also practicing obscure Polynesia rituals mixed in with contrived North American shamanism. Although the individual that is capable of doing these things if they so choose, it does seem likely that each group could find reason to take offense at these actions, particularly if the "blender" elects to proscribe this practice in public forums.
I also think some may find it troubling when a person makes up a bunch of stuff then assigns the label of a spiritual group that has a set way of doing things. An excellent example would be Wicca. The endless debate of solitaire and coven.
Even the pantheist, invoking what one group designates a God's offering to be for a purpose not accepted as with in that God's scope - this can distress people.
I can't imagine how an Islamist would react to a non Muslim "blender" praying to Allah for a bacon sandwich.
Some things really set people off, as we've observed recently - to various degrees of response. Ultimately though we are, individually, responsible to ourselves in how we react to the things that distress us.
I strive not to be offended, and in that statement I acknowledge that I fail occasionally. I do not expect others to exceed the limitations to putting up with nonsense that I myself have experienced.
We are only human.
Permalink Reply by punkypagan on September 17, 2012 at 10:27am
Permalink Reply by Lady_Dreamer on September 25, 2012 at 4:07am Punkypagan, those are my thoughts exactly.
Permalink Reply by Maris Hellfaerie (Maire) on September 17, 2012 at 3:17pm No offense taken.
I see that if you are leaving the mother soil and the culture that has been forming you, and you go away, your descendants will not be a part of this culture (and the religion and religious customs that are entwined with it). People from orgs like ie. The Troth of course argue against it, and I do respect their efforts.
To include Rob Chapmans remark, I have been arguing in his presence that it seem pointless to worship a tribal deity who has nothing to do with your tribe whatsoever, and in the case of the Hebrews, there have been specific bonds made with the "blood" of the tribes of Israel. But millions of happy Christians make it work, despite my irritation. However I also know what a few Jewish think of all this.
I can understand your sentiments. It is my personal opinion that if you give up a community, a culture, and the soil it is on, how can you seriously claim any of that for yourself. My opinion is based on a lot of butchering and mutilating cultural (+religious) heritage, and I am aware that it might not meet everyone well. I just frown at things, I don't plan to set them on fire.
Permalink Reply by Maris Hellfaerie (Maire) on September 17, 2012 at 4:49pm Yes, in one chapter he said "my teachings are for the Jews" and later he changes his mind about it. Matthew *sigh*
Permalink Reply by Maris Hellfaerie (Maire) on September 17, 2012 at 6:17pm I do not know of another deity, except for instance, Skadi and Odin for the Norwegians (ancestor parents of a line of Norwegian kings), who is such an extremely tribal god, with their occasionally mindboggling biases and all.
In Germanic lore your find one or another god suddenly supporting the enemy, without any explanation, whereas it was assumed that gods were entitled to give their favour as their mood inspired them to. It was a risk the believers lived with, even with claiming descending from their deity. There is no "you did not stick to my bunch of rules, so be punished" or "due to idolatry god commanded disaster X to take place".
Permalink Reply by Lilitu Xoc on September 17, 2012 at 11:14pm Aphrodite did leave her homeland. She was originally Ishtar from Babylonia. There's enough proof of this.
Permalink Reply by Maris Hellfaerie (Maire) on September 18, 2012 at 11:14am Aphrodite did leave her homeland. She was originally Ishtar from Babylonia. There's enough proof of this.
Yes, and I also see what happened to the mighty Ishtar. Especially in the late Hellenic times. Just because something happens does not mean you don't want to poke your eyes out over it with a knitting needle.
Permalink Reply by Celticlass...FAERIE QUEEN on September 17, 2012 at 7:23pm The settlers in the USA brought their worship with them,passed it along,so it would continue......
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