America for Jesus 2012 (>>;; )
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Christian Conservative rally has been formed and will kick off on Saturday with a prayer assembly on Independence Mall in Philadelphia.
The group is calling the rally “America For Jesus 2012” and wants to spread the word about the downfall of our nation being caused by loose morals. While their leaders say they are neither right nor left, but simply, Christians, they are decidedly in Romney’s corner, with one member speaking out against Obama’s “radical homosexual agenda” and blasting the country’s move toward socialism.
According to the group’s website, they are a “solemn assembly to summon together the whole body of Christ to pray for the church and our nation”. Coming right before a huge election, the rally will encompass nine hours and will focus on the current issues plaguing the U.S. and why they are compounded by politicians’ agendas.
“America is in a state of emergency evidenced by the symptoms of widespread moral depravity and economic meltdown. Education, government, and man’s wisdom cannot solve this problem. There is only one remedy that truly can “heal the Land”, the site says.
Attendees have already been asked to begin a 40-day fast through November 6th to help “turn the nation to God”; however, the group’s site says that those with medical issues can seek other options.
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Permalink Reply by Nephele, Mistress of Names on -
Attendees have already been asked to begin a 40-day fast...
Bad news for the president of Chick-fil-A. Eh, easy come, easy go.
-- Nephele
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Permalink Reply by Aurelia Pontia on -
*sigh*
They always say they're doing it "for our great country" and want to turn us "back to god" and completely ignore the fact that our Founding Fathers didn't want our country to have any sort of religious basis.
And of course, here they are, blaming bad times on our "loose" morals. During the Depression, Christianity was all over the country, where was god then? During the Clinton administration our economy was booming. Our morals are little changed from then, but of course you're never going to hear them address THOSE discrepancies in their 'logic'.
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Permalink Reply by Dave Pellani on -
our Founding Fathers didn't want our country to have any sort of religious basis.
We know all about Christian conceit, and the Christian ideals of the constitution, taxation with little to no representation or accountability, etc. but aren't you flapping your wings in the face of freedom of religion in general, and even freedom to NOT practice religion, and who creates those boundaries, anyway? That would have curious ramifications for us all, wouldn't it?
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Permalink Reply by Aurelia Pontia on
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but aren't you flapping your wings in the face of freedom of religion in general, and even freedom to NOT practice religion, and who creates those boundaries, anyway? That would have curious ramifications for us all, wouldn't it?
I don't understand your question.
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Permalink Reply by Dave Pellani on
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our Founding Fathers didn't want our country to have any sort of religious basis.
I for one, have little doubt Aurelia, that the country was NOT founded upon Judeo Christian values and principles anymore than it was founded on common sense. I think we both know who the founding fathers really were. However, the early immigrants to this country from Europe established a country that was predominantly Christian by European standards, escaping the religious tyranny of their homeland. "One Nation Under God". There was never any clarification of who that god was, but we know it wasn't the "Devil".
That's where it becomes a cultural evolution of some sorts. I don't believe they were excluding religion as part of a political institution. That was something Karl Marx was up to. They were leaving behind the religious tyrrany of their European roots. In the beginning it may have been heretical, but it evolved the way it did because we were never able to escape the shackles of Chrisitianty to begin with. Christianity was not even the primary factor in the witch hunts and trials, the way it was in Europe.
The vanity of Christianity speaks for itself, BUT, freedom is freedom. What we have here is a trade off, my religious freedom, your freedom of thought, and the religious freedom of anyone who happens to live in the same country, like it, or not.
Being that we have a purported constitutional scholar on hand in the white house, when he gave his big speech to the "United Third World Dictators" the other day, he seemed not only to be coddling to the anti free speech movement out there in his audience, but he also WAS putting a heavy emphasis on "religious freedom of expression", as an American institutional value. My how times have changed!
Your statement also speaks for itself. So, would you care to clarify specifically just exactly what you mean by that, and where does it specifically say that religion was NOT to be a factor in a government that was supposed to uphold high moral standards and fairness. You can have all the intentions you like, but when you see a church in every little town, people with nothing else to live for, full of the faithful that Ritalin Bunny so eagerly postulates here, does it surprise you that religion is still a part of the political landscape?
It's Friday, I just want to be as un confused for the weekend as possible.
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Permalink Reply by Aurelia Pontia on
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So, would you care to clarify specifically just exactly what you mean by that, and where does it specifically say that religion was NOT to be a factor in a government that was supposed to uphold high moral standards and fairness. You can have all the intentions you like, but when you see a church in every little town, people with nothing else to live for, full of the faithful that Ritalin Bunny so eagerly postulates here, does it surprise you that religion is still a part of the political landscape?
I'm not surprised.
Sure, the majority of the American colonials were Christians. Sure a great many of the cultural norms, rules and sometimes laws reflected their religion. But they were from Western Europe, what other religion would they have been?
And because Christianity is an exclusivist religion, they were not inclined to be welcoming of any other flavors of their own religion (Catholics) or any religion other than Christianity (Judaism/animist religions from African slaves/native Americans).
Our Founding Fathers were from England. They had seen the conflicts between Catholic and Protestants raging in Europe. They knew of the history of their own nation's civil wars. They knew a great many of those conflicts were a result of the government supporting just one religion and - because of the monotheistic exclusivity of said religion and because the holder of the crown in many of the monarchies was said to be divinely granted - it was up to the heads of state to support and enforce the state religion.
Our Founding Fathers wanted to avoid the endless conflicts over religion that had plagued Europe for so long. So they left religion out of the Constitution, left religion free to be practiced, but not any religion supported by the government.
But of course, like 'all men are created equal except for non-whites/women/the poor' it took the country sometime to actually live up to our own standards and start to fine-tune what we actually were going to do.
So, the country floated along easily until quite recently when the laws and norms and status quo started to be challenged. You read stories in the news even today, people are inclined to go with mob rule whenever they try to force their own religious viewpoints on the populace or keep laws based on Christian morality - and nothing else - in place. People - even those like these folks of the OP purporting to be Americans and patriots at that - are inclined to NOT live up to our standards and try to force their religious beliefs on everyone else.
Mostly because they've been allowed to get away with it for so long, they believe anyone who challenges it or diminishes their dominance is actually 'persecuting' them. And they really don't care if their attempts are flying in the face of what the Founding Fathers wanted for the US because their religious beliefs lead them to believe they are the victims if they don't get their way.
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Permalink Reply by Dave Pellani on
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Very true, the hipocracy of it all wasted no time as inherently manifest. I completely concur with your assertions of Christain evolvement. And I don't believe that fairness and equality were entire religiously motivated. I believe that science and technology had agreat deal to do with it. Church and state were theoretically supposed to be seperate, for obvious reasons. And it evolved something like this: State = the people = society = the church = the state. That is is why you have seperate insitutions, but influence peddling and coercion nevertheless.
I personally do not believe we are created equal. That does not justify mistreating people, it just simply means that we are not equal, you get what you earn, nothing more, nothing special, and nothing less. Getting what you want is not a rite of passage, it must be earned in a tangible way. We are not one. And, we are not our brothers keeper. Equality has to be earned the same way anything else is earned. If anyone wants to be equal, fine, then prove it. Show us why you are worthy of being equal, other than the fact that you simply exist. That is from the biblical playbook.
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Permalink Reply by Ritalin-Bunny on -
I'm washing in the blood of the lamb,
I'm taking this vessel and drinking from it,
I'm washing in the blood of the lamb,
I'm flying like a kestrel and thinking of shit,
Please let me be,
as magical as Jesus,
Please let me feel,
as radical as Jesus,
Give back to the Caesars,
the clippers and the tweezers,
because I want red hair,
as long as medieval Jesus,
so I can be there,
watching him die just to please us,
What a show for good old God,
and Joseph and Mary,
damn Pilate and Judas,
damn the freaks and the fairies,
damn them all to the fire,
except Jesus,
Dear Jesus - what would you do?
Oh Jesus damn them all,
everyone, except you!
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Permalink Reply by Amethyst Samia on -
Hahaha! My plastic Jesus. Haven't heard that one for a long time!
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