I am not sure if this has been discussed before, but im giving it a shot.
On another site, there was a discussion on Silver Ravenwolf and someone cited an article they had written on why she is not a good source and one of points was:
“Angels” have nothing at all to do with Wicca – Angels come from Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Bahai, or NewAge theology –*not* Wiccan.
To misrepresent Wicca as a religion “about Angels” is LYING, to the very people who are most (legally, ethically and morally) responsible for their children, just because *you* don’t think they’ll make (what you consider to be) the “right “ decisions, and allow those children to buy and study your material, is despicable.
So my questions are these:
1. What about Christo-Wiccans? Does the fact that they are Wiccan mean they cannot believe?
2. What about eclectic wiccans?
I personally believe that angels are modified fae or may even be part of the same family of winged beings that the Christians adapted and modified. Whether this is fact or not, I am not sure. I am NOT an expert on the subject and I don't claim to be. But I don't see a problem with believing in angels. If requested I will give a link to the article, but what are your thoughts and opinions?
Sorry if this pisses off anyone is advance. I guess "my bad"
I find this particular question comes up a lot and generally comes from people who want to completely distance themselves from Judeo-Christian, Muslim religions for one reason or another. Angels or Angel like beings appear in nearly ever culture in the world regardless of geographical location.
However Angels are we know them first appear in Sumerian - Babylonian teachings. With out getting drawn into a long historical debate and me having to look though my extensive library to prove my point. I will leave it at that
I practice Rouhania which is called Arabic magic in the west. Rouhania has a huge body of knowledge concerning Angels and Angelic evocation. As it turns out my specialty in Rouhania is Angel magic. I can tell you want angels are and what they are not (They are 100% NOT fey). I can tell you that 95% of people who claim to be able to invoke angels and work with angels don't; they simply aren't capable for various reasons. Angels rarely come down to our level of being you have to do serious work to attract them and the average 5 minute Wiccan spell won't even get their attention. Angels also don't care what religion you follow as long as its shiny and bright in there eyes. I am a follower of Ishtar and have had numerous encounters with Angels over the last 20 years of training.
As to the question regarding are angels part of Wicca; I would say yes and no. Its not part of Gardnerian tradition but I honestly think if you want to work with angels and align yourself with what going to attract them I say go for it.
This is a topic I can go on and on; so I will shut up and let other people talk.
Oh on the Silver Ravenwolf subject. Teen witch sucks in so many ways but I honestly enjoyed her other books. I own just about everything she has written.
I practice Rouhania which is called Arabic magic in the west.
This confuses me as "rouhania" (I've also seen this spelled "rouhaniya") means "spirit". However, I am always willing to learn =)
You talk about angels in your tradition, Moon Shadow, but there are lots of other traditions that have angels in their belief systems, so I find the "95% of people who claim to be able to invoke angels and work with angels don't" somewhat contrived, and I would then question why you would make such a comment to begin with. Very odd indeed =/
Wings? Why would angels need wings?
Angels are most certainly pre-xtian and have long been included in Traditional Witchcraft. However they are not the angels of the new agers.
Angels are messengers and servants to be commanded by those who know how to do so. This is a mainstay of Ceremonial Magick where both angels and demons are invoked and commanded. There is a lot of info on this available in old grimoires and such if you search for it.
$ilver Ravenwolf and most pop-wicca authors are not qualified to be authorities on Witchcraft and should be disregarded.
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Wings? Why would angels need wings?
It's how they've evolved since Sumerian-Babylonian times.
The word 'angel' is too tightly linked to the Christian religion, so if one refers to pre-Christian angels it's better to use the original term for them, which is "messenger". It takes away any Christian connotation and can be more of a general descriptor.
For the OP: I wasn't aware there was such a thing as a Christian-Wiccan. The two are diametrically opposed religions and cannot mesh and anyone who tries to make them mesh is basically making up their own religion and disregarding a great deal of both.