I must say I am highly frustrated and disappointed at the inaccessibility of connecting with Australia on the spiritual basis. I would be surprised if i got a reply here. I have been searching for a while and was directed to an Australian pagan site the other day which wouldn't open my account without my photo (and with my slow connection, wasn't able to load). Another site only gets looked into every six to seven months and another site talks nothing about any form of spirituality even though the site is supposed to be dedicated to this. I've had a series of 'aboriginal' dreams(?) since before I landed here, for which I haven't been able to find anyone with some knowledge regarding this to share with. I have spent hours on the net trying to find any site or connection to which I might be able to write and found that most sites either didn't accommodate for this or really discouraged any communication. There seems to be a few commercial links to aboriginal culture that doesn't link to my experiences other that the word "spirit" (which is rather broad!) I would just like to chat to someone who knows a bit about this and can maybe give some time (which seems an extraordinarily difficult request). I'm sorry but I've always believed that a surviving spirituality is an interactive one, despite all the horrible politics in-between it (and yes, believe or not there are others out there that face persecution too, who are able to still make time to interact with others about their spirituality). Perhaps this is more of a question than a discussion: Is there any Ozzies (of any colour) able to give their time to connect about this land spirituality?
Permalink Reply by Devil Sexton on Hmmm, this is curious. I've meant plenty of Australian Pagans, but can't say I've ever heard this being discussed...
I believe what you're looking for is out there and this is a firm place to look, I do believe there is an appropriate group that you might have better luck then posting directly into General Banter. Either way I hope you find what you're looking for.
Permalink Reply by Dave McAllen on Go to witchvox on the web they have an Australian page there someone could help you there,or maybe hook you up with someone
Thanks, either its me or the site is just one of those 'too complex' sites. Didn't get anywhere
Permalink Reply by Ravnfyr on You might be better served to look offline. Australian aborigines are very protective of their religion - and rightfully so. There isn't much information online beyond the very basics, but you *might* be able to find someone who'll work with you out there in the "real world". A good place to start might be a traditional artist, because their art and religion are very closely intertwined.
Be prepared for disappointment and a lot of hard work to get what you're after. If all else fails, there's always the land itself. If It accepts you, you'll learn all you need to know. The Dreamtime is accessible if you're willing to put in the effort.
Thanks. It appears no effort is required. The experience is rather like an oversized excited puppy dog drenching your clothes. It is unnerving and warming atthe same time. And thanks for the warning, if these locals persist in pride, it is perhaps a good thing that the land is less picky, after all its wiser.
Permalink Reply by fawn on I was thinking the same thing as Ravnfyr. I'm not from OZ, never been there myself. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Aborigines are similar to the indigenous Americans when it comes to their religions. They are conquered peoples. The white man took away their land, and often succeeded in wiping out their languages, cultures and their ways of life. Many times their religion is the only thing they have left. It wouldn't be surprising they didn't want white people to have anything to do with it.
I would say if you're interested in their religion, I'd go to the source. Talk to an Aborigine (excuse my ignorance, I know very little about the Aborigines so I don't know how accessible they are). But don't be surprised or offended if they say no. It just might be that their religion is only open to their people. And with all the bad history, it's totally their right to deny you access. And not to be offensive, but just because you had a few dreams doesn't automatically give you the right to access their religion. Not trying to be mean, but just saying...
Thanks for your insight. We've all had bad histories, I'm not of the opinion that the recent century is any more important than the previous or that the 'Natives' are supposed to be the 'special victims' who take percedent over all of us. As for the offence, it might JUST be the reason I am getting these 'dreams', there is a lot of frustration with these politics from the 'other side' especially because it is believed that it will cost their heritage. Its all fine and well to take offence,but then don't start blaming people if there is nothing left. I'm not assuming that I have automatic access to 'their religion' but it seems that 'their religion' feels like it can have automatic access to me. It would not be considered nice (or dare I say politically correct) if I took offence. Thanks once again, it does clear things up for quite solidly
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