Cosmic Paganism, astrology, and something original

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Permalink Reply by Windcaller on November 22, 2011 at 2:48pm

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Permalink Reply by Stonewolf on November 22, 2011 at 2:54pm

hell ya it is!

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Permalink Reply by SupremeTacos on November 22, 2011 at 11:34pm

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Keri<3

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Permalink Reply by Níos Sine Dia on November 22, 2011 at 5:30pm

First off, the top one is most definitely a Tektite, not a meteorite.

Also, I'm fairly sure the bottom one is a bit of terrestrial iron/nickle.
It may be an odd looking smooth meteorite, but it looks too smooth to be from space.
If you bought them, you could tell by the weight, meteorites are much denser than terrestrial rocks.

But the top one is definitely Tektite.

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Permalink Reply by Stonewolf on November 22, 2011 at 6:12pm

I haven't gotten them in the mail yet, but they were both from the same guy, who will supposedly include a certificate of authentication, as they are supposed to be from Campo de Cielo, and he had really good feedback on ebay. Iron/nickel meteorites are how they were described in the auction. Terrestrial iron is usually in the form of hematite, which looks quite different than the goofy shape pictured. Terrestrial nickel is usually in the form of something that more or less looks like a bunch of flower buds clumped together. Tektite is unusual to form a spike like that because it almost always breaks off too easily, if any parts get that thin. I think the lighting of the picture makes it a bit deceptive. However, all that considered wouldn't exclude either of those items from being metal slag from a foundry.

 

Either way, they both only cost me about 2 bucks including shipping, and are about the size of a thumbnail. I wouldn't be terribly disappointed if I ended up with slag and a tektite in the mail, as it was not a considerable investment.

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Permalink Reply by Stonewolf on November 22, 2011 at 5:51pm

ok so far I think I want to incorporate most of the planets, dwarf planets, and some asteroids, so after some careful consideration, here's a tentative correspondence to the metals:

Sun - Gold

Moon - Silver

Earth - Iron

Mercury - Quicksilver

Venus - Copper

Mars - Steel

Jupiter - Tin/Pewter

Saturn - Lead

Uranus - Rhodium (rulers of social conventions)

Neptune - Aluminum (saw this one some astrology site somewhere)

Pluto - Platinum (ruler of wealth, death, and transformation

Charon - Iridium (crucible metal that is completely inert so as to transfer liquid metals into another form)

Ceres - Bronze (rebirth of copper into a metal suited for other uses)

Eris - Chromium (wild color displays in the oxides, but extremely corrosion resistant, sort of a nod to chaos magicians)

Sedna - Tungsten (distant and dense, it has the wildest, most eccentric orbital pattern, relating to tungsten's vast heat resistance and lowest thermal expansion rate of any metal, as high heat or low cold causes most metals to expand and contract by quite a bit. It represents the thermal and corrosive abuse this metal can withstand.)

Pallas - Palladium (must give a nod to the metal named specifically for the goddess of wisdom)

Vesta - Brass (goddess of the hearth and home, and I couldn't stop thinking about brass items around the home, such as candle holders and plates, it seemed to make sense.)

Cruithne (large asteroid that shares a similar orbit as the earth, once thought to be the earth's second moon) - Nickel (as I am associating iron with earth, mainly because of the iron/nickel rich core of the planet that creates the magnetic field that shelters us from the sun's more damaging rays, I am associating this asteroid with the metal nickel, which is iron's counterpart in the composition of the core of most rocky planets and asteroids. So basically if there is earth and counter-earth, one is iron and the other is nickel.)

Makemake - Bismuth (this is the Rapa Nui god that created humanity, and so I think it deserves the designated metal in alchemy that is the supposed key to everlasting life. In alchemy, bismuth oxide is a greenish material that is likened to a sort of moss, long associated with creation of the elixir of life, and Makemake is as well a deity of fertility and the land.)

Orcus - Osmium (as Cruithne is opposite to the earth in orbit, Orcus is opposite to Pluto, though pretty much in the same orbit. Orcus is a god of the underworld, similar to Hades or Pluto, and so I thought that the designated metal would be something similar to Platinum; Osmium is heavier and much more wear resistant than Platinum, but very reactive, forming poisonous oxides. To me this represents the inevitability and volatility of death. Orcus was also known to be a torturer.)

Vanth (Orcus's moon) - Titanium (Frequently compared to Charon, Vanth is represented as a winged soldier goddess also acting as a ferrier of souls to the afterlife. Like Charon's metal Iridium, Vanth's metal Titanium is less reactive than other metals at lower temperatures and totally hypoallergenic. Titanium is one of the best materials to make armor out of, as well as quite at home in a deep space environment. It seemed appropriate. In this context, I like to somewhat consider Vanth and her associated metal to be the female correspondent to Mars and steel. While steel is heavy and made into effective weapons, titanium is light, and sometimes made into effective armor. Mars/Steel kills, while Vanth/Titanium defends, or guides the dead through the realms of space where titanium is more at home.)

 

At this point I'm pretty much out of metals and planets that I would want to focus on, unless you want to talk about antimony, but eh... screw it.

 

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Permalink Reply by Stonewolf on November 22, 2011 at 6:22pm

thank you, but I've been having some trouble finding any metal correspondences to any planets other than the sun, moon, mercury, venus, earth, mars, jupiter, and saturn. If there is already stuff established for the outer planets and the dwarf planets, I'd love to find it.

For the record, the veneration of substances really is supposed to have more to do with the energy manipulation involved, when using them for magick or healing. For example, Rhodium has an extremely clean energy to it, and promotes social interaction on a progressive networking scale. I have done a number of experiments with utilizing the energy of rhodium and that's what almost always comes up. The energy of gold has to do with drawing health and money to oneself, or the positive growth of an organization. Lead is about blocking harm thrown your way, or undoing bindings. Lead has a very dirty, sludge-like energy.

Each of these characteristics is meant to represent a trial to face on one's path to wisdom and enlightenment. The metals are a tool, or technically a teacher; a vehicle to use to get somewhere with, in one's understanding of the universe.

I use my different metal tools frequently in my magick, and these are the things I have learned so far and come across. There's always the nagging feeling that there's a lot more to it, like some sort of system, which I guess is what I'm trying to explore with this idea.

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Permalink Reply by Abraxas on November 22, 2011 at 6:36pm

Hi,

Just a quick word on this topic.

Quicksilver is a pretty recent discovery if you compare it to astrology, at a point in time there was a switch in all those corresponsances. Back in time alliage (don't know the word in english but mix of two metal) where also considered in those associations, e.g electrum (mix of gold and silver) was associated also with jupiter (see : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrum ans Berthellot for ref on alchimy).

Some association wher made by "obsevation" of the nature, some other are both, e.g venus with copper, association is based both on greek mythology and on the fact that copper salt (i.e blue vitriol) are blue and that venus as blueish reflect when observed.

Ok, this is not directly related to the OP but I think it is worse mentionning that those commonly known and established association are "recent" in regard of history, and did vary in time and cultures.

Now if I was to establish a new model then I would take completly another approach maybe based on elemental table (means numbers of electron/weight) and compare with distance/size of planets, that would make more sens than to use a referential that nobody seems to remember why it was made....

Gruessi

Abra

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Permalink Reply by Stonewolf on November 22, 2011 at 6:41pm

you make some very good points. I am not terribly knowledgeable in astrology but I have studied a little bit of alchemy, which has some slight overlap, in the books I've read. A lot of this kinda is my own invention, at least of where to go with it. I'll do some more research and see what I can find.

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Permalink Reply by Abraxas on November 22, 2011 at 6:56pm

Hi,

I would also look at the composition of those planet... Mars red color comes from iron oxyd, that pretty much the only one the ancient had a full meaningfull association (especially if you consider that the color of blood also comw from fe3+ and that blood was associated with war and violence). 

All the "other" association made in antiquity are more of a symbolical nature, not physical nature (i.e sun and gold ate only associated wirh color similarity, the sun is basically a big helium/hydrogen ball and does not contain metal).

So if you choose your own association, it must make sens whatever key you ate using to make those association, therefore you might better start from scratch instead of using older system.

Just a quick note also, if you plan to ritualy use those metals afterwards think about toxicity/price, quicksilver is dangerous (or you can use minerals such as cinabar :  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnabar ) 

Gruessi

Abra

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Permalink Reply by Stonewolf on November 22, 2011 at 7:09pm

thanks for the advice :)

All the "other" association made in antiquity are more of a symbolical nature, not physical nature (i.e sun and gold ate only associated wirh color similarity, the sun is basically a big helium/hydrogen ball and
does not contain metal).

That doesn't really bother me that much, as long as it makes sense in some capacity. I pretty much took the first 7 or 8 planets and used their ancient correspondences, then added my own for the dwarf planets and the asteroids, with an explanation for the justification.

Like, if Pluto is the god of wealth, but gold is already taken by the sun, and silver is already taken by the moon, why not use platinum? In energy work, platinum is the highest vibrational metal, and is associated with catalyzing change and exploring the hidden parts of the self, similar things that Pluto is associated with, so I thought that it fit pretty well.

Another example is the goddess Eris and her metal, Chromium. Eris is the goddess of chaos and discord, and is one of the only goddesses regularly venerated by chaos magicians, which is a path I have taken much inspiration from. Eris also could be little controlled. I'm thinking of the chaos star, with it's varied colors of arrows pointing outward. Chromium for one, has oxides that vary greatly in nearly all colors, and is extremely corrosion resistant, so few substances are actually able to attack it, or alter its course. That's why they mix it with iron to create stainless steel, that doesn't rust. I certainly did look at the properties of the metals as well as the mythology of the deities, before I assigned them to each other, so if it makes sense in some way, like that, it feels right to me.

lol I sure as hell have no intention of messing with dangerous materials. An old fashioned, glass sealed thermometer for the mercury would be good enough for me. Lead can be sealed in enamel, easily enough. I might consider getting some cinnabar though, it's a beautiful stone.

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Permalink Reply by Mary Reinhardt on November 22, 2011 at 7:53pm

go with the energy - for example the moon goes with silver and sun goes with gold because that feels correct energetically (to me).  As a woman, I work primarily with moon energy and can only wear silver.  I've tried to wear gold, can't do it.

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