A `new` concept of burial /storage of remains is emerging in the UK, a return to construction of `barrows` for the dead.
One of the latest opens in Shropshire not far away from me, its certainly spectacular, comparable to many of the ancient barrows of ancient Britain, and may well become an enigma to anyone finding these in ,maybe a thousand years time .
So are we going forwards, or going backwards?
Anyone have any thoughts?
Going forward, considering the idea of going back to the more arcane and mysterious means of the concept of burials, and moving away from the more modern Judeo Christian traditional means, which sends you off to a church graveyard somewhere.
Barrows are awesome, but they weren't open for visitations as far as I know. People felt a cold jab of mortality when they were opened and they weren't sunny areas for visiting the dead with family and friends. But they are good for recycling. Last I remember reading, the bodies were stored there until they were bone, then the remains shoved to the inside to make room for more bodies.
Thanks to you both for your thoughts:)
Could a factor be that the decline of the Church in many Western societies is making people consider `alternative `options to the traditional?
`Green ` burials are becoming more popular, I have only attended one so far in the past 20 years, that of my Teacher and Mentor.
He chose a Wicker coffin, and to be buried on a sun facing slope above one of the beautiful valleys of Wales, and a Rowan tree now marks the spot, his `magical `name being `Rowan`.
I know many of the Witches,Druids and pagans present at his burial were impressed by location, simplicity of rite, and connection to elements.
"Could a factor be that the decline of the Church in many Western societies is making people consider `alternative `options to the traditional?"
From a pagan perspective, I think that is most likely the case. The decline in the church, which may be rapidly declining due to it's own undercrust of twisted and distorted sense of morality and lack of accountability, much less so than any other outside factors have influenced it.. So in that sense, everything is up for grabs.
The kind of burials and descriptions thereof that are presented in this thread are a spectacular break from the modern traditional norm.
Thanks for your thoughts Dave , they are appreciated, and very much I think on target observations.
Having followed the link I see that it is actually a columbarium, not a mausoleum. I had wondered which it was, considering its construction. It is not subject to the same regulations as a mausoleum, which allows its "traditional" construction method.
I would also query the cost of being stored here compared to the more usual above ground columbarium. Also, how long do they store the urns for? Are they subject to the same "100 year rule" as below-ground burials are? Will they be open for relatives to visit and place flowers?
It's an old idea given a modern twist and could be an alternative for those who want a "green" funeral considering its low impact on the surrounding countryside.
Yes, a few questions not given in the article.
Certainly an alternative, very tempting if I didnt want to be scattered where my Father is and rest oif family will be.
I like the idea, thank you for bring this to my attention. I plan on having a cremation, but I don't like the prospect of being scattered hither and thither over the landscape with no memorial. This is a much more traditional end for a pagan, with interment in the land I love.
Its nice to see people have some thoughts Meridian:)
Thanks for taking time to reply.
The modern use of embalming started in the Civil War and allowed bodies to make it back to their families intact for a funeral. Prior to this, bodies were expected to rot in the grave. Somehow embalming became tangled with Christian pseudo-theology so that I’ve had Christian friends tell me that embalming is the only Christian method because it preserves the body for the resurrection. To be fair, there is nothing in the official texts to support that—they’re just ignorant.
I’ve considered cremation as an effective way to dispose of the dead, but it results in air pollution especially if you factor in the number of people who die on a daily basis. The ancient and accepted method of inhumation in a compost pile until only the bones are left is probably the best way, and either placing the bones in an ossuary for veneration or grinding the bones to dust completes the process. Embalming is just unsustainably nuts, unless you’re a Pharaoh in ancient Egypt. The cemetery space will eventually squeeze out the living.
Also, having access to your ancestor’s bones would make necromancy much easier.
I didnt know the American Civil War was responsible for the embalming process being used to make soldiers bodies presentable to be shipped home for burial , you learn something every day, interesting thoughts there.
I have heard that there are a lot of people who will not agree to organs being used from their relatives after death as they would not be `whole` for the afterlife in their perception of a `heaven`?
I have heard the mercury in peoples filings has become a problem `downwind` of crematoriums, and dentists have moved away from amalgum fillings in recent years.
If I recall correctly, I think the sailors on HMS Victory preserved Admiral Nelsons body for return home by sealing it in a full Rum barrel until they returned to port.
I prefer embalming or cremation because that way it's for sure I'm dead. Too many horror thoughts about being buried alive.