I had a personal revelation. I like taxes!
I don’t think taxes are too high or even that there are too many of them. I mean taxes are for us, as a community. They pay for our safety with employment of police and firefighters, ambulance drivers, street workers that repair those annoying traffic lights. It pays for the education of our children and helps pay for them to go to college to become doctors, police, firefighter, and electrical engineers to fix those annoying traffic lights. It helps to pay for hospitals and free health care for those that can’t afford it. Taxes pay for parks and national lands so we and future generations can enjoy them. They help pay for research in all kinds of fields. Our taxes help to take care of the elderly, you know those old people that took care of us when we were too young to do it ourselves. There are senior centers all over that are paid for by our taxes.
Can you even imagine what our world would be like without those things here?
I do not understand when people start yelling about to high of taxes. I really don’t. I mean I don’t mind paying income tax, why would I complain about paying my fair share to have all the things that tax money pays for. Really do people believe that police do that job out of the goodness of their hearts and they are all independently wealthy and do that job to feel good, that they work for free and all that tax money you pay just sits somewhere or gods forbid is stolen from them, the people, the community, that they do not get anything in return for it.
I kind of figure that I donated about 10 to 15 thousand dollars maybe more last year to taxes combined, between income tax, sales tax, land tax…ect. I also know I couldn’t hire a security guy for that amount, or buy and maintain a piece of land to be a park for that amount.
I don’t think my thinking is insane, do you think it’s insane?
What do you think about taxes?
Are they to high?
Are there to many of them?
Should we not have them?
What would you do in place of taxes to pay for things?
What got me to thinking about this was a group of Tea Party people in front of the Wal-Mart passing out fliers. I read it, while I shopped and when I came out had to tell the young lady she best be glad of taxes, seeing how the local police was keeping folks from giving them grief. There were like 4 squad cars there to keep the peace.
LOLS this should be very interesting discussion,
I am guilty of complaing of taxes, but you both here have very good points. No it is not perfect etc, but if we did not have Taxes to fund these things, then what?
Kixs my Friend, can I please steal this and post it on another site that may be in need of a post like this?
I agree with you and fought with my Opinion just like this for so long, I and happy to see you posting this and I do agree with all you have said.
Of course you can dear Tea.
I have some issues with taxation. I don't think poor people should pay tax. If you are trying to live off 20K in a family of four, then it's ridiculous to pay tax. Shoes off the kids feet, food out of your mouth ridiculous.
The answer I keep hearing from wealthy people is that all poor people have to do is get another minimum wage job, more education, take up a trade; we all have to pay our fair share.
There is no real loop hole for the poor. There's a war going on against them.
I've been that guy. When you're at the bottom and you don't have enough money they don't take it easy on you because you've got two jobs. The repo man still comes and takes your stuff. You still get evicted. It's economic forces that dictate that if you're making 650 take home from working two forty hour jobs and the rent is 800 a month, food a hundred a week, and you've got a car payment as well as insurance to take car of, hell we haven't even got fuel into the mix yet. I've heard all the "You should have thought about that before ( fill in blank here )" sanctimony I care to hear for a life time. People fall down. Not because they're on dope or drinking it all away on Friday night. Children outgrow clothing, everyone has to eat. Everyone deserves a place to sleep, somewhere they don't have to worry about rats or weirdos rolling in during the dark hours.
When a poor person pays sales tax that's real money to them. Money they could have spent on their family. The income tax taken from them doesn't amount to a snip in the government coffers but it sure makes a difference at graduation time.
I'll add this. Police don't protect poor people, they arrest them. Cops are for protecting wealthy people from poor people. The judiciary as well. It's to make sure poor people go to jail longer and rich people are given lenient sentences. Jail is big business for rich people. Armies are full of poor people, always have been. cannon fodder. The only way out of poverty, and even in the army they keep them poor.
Taxes are for the rich. The poor shouldn't have to fund their own oppression.
I have been that poor and poorer RB and at the time I thought the same things. But I was able to go to school because of taxes. First three years of college was paid for by grants such as pell and some state grants. Of course I still had those two jobs and walked to school because it was closer by 2 miles than my a.m job to save enough gas to get to work the next day. My kids won't eat macarroni to this day...lol.
But afterwards, after I only had one job for 8 hours a day instead of 12 and my youngest knew what beef was. I realized it wasn't the taxes that kept me down, but the cost of food, gas, cloths for the kids...I worn the same 3 pairs of jeans for six years...hell even the patchs had holes in them...lol. That it was corperations that kept me down. Taxes paid by people just like me, gave me the chance to do better. Corperations were hell bent on keeping working those two jobs and scratching by with no hope of making more at the jobs I had. Taxes gave me a chance and hope for a future, not just for me but my kids. Taxes changed the lives of 9 people, me, 3 kids, and now my 5 grandkids. I personally have tried to help folks that were like me way back when. To show them there is hope and there is hope for them, because I'm still paying taxes.
Ever ponder the EIC, or Earned Income Credit? If you make 20K and have more than one kid, you probably get it as part of the tax refund. It's the nation's largest secret welfare program. Non-EICers rarely get a large refund. Someone who makes that salary and has kids should try to reduce the withholding taken by payroll.
Folks who get the EIC pay income taxes initially through withholding, but what they get back is probably actually a negative tax rate. That is, the government actually giving them money. Property tax is a different story, but what can you do.
My kids get the EIC, it helped my middle daughter with the down payment on her house she bought this year. I think it's a good thing, but the republicians are hell bent of removing it.
You are right Ritalin-Bunny. It's a sobering but sad reality that repeatedly and strongly happens in America.
Some of the American public adopts the same notion the rich do. If your poor, you did something bad (drugs, etc.), you are not trustworthy, you are crazy (literally), or lazy, etc. I have seen a cashier treat a homeless man as if he was a cockroach. Yelling, screaming at him, humiliating him for existing. The average folk can be just as nasty.
correction *you're*. argh.
I've been there myself and it hurts to have to choose between food and rent or keeping the lights on vs. taking my child to the doctor. I've been a single mom who wasn't getting child support (the ex didn't pay for almost a year after we separated) and it is definitely hard.
I don't support taxing the poor, either. Rich people bitch about the poor paying 'their fair share' because they don't know or care what it's like to be in the position of not being able to afford food and medicine in the same pay period. If they were paying as much as they're supposed to, other people might be able to see their way out of the hole occasionally too.
I object to paying a congress person or senator a salary for life and for his health coverage...as well as the presidents and other high ranking political people who are already rich and can afford to take care of themselves. The proper use of taxes is helpful...much is not helpful...like fighting a war on the other side of the world using our National Guard. Okay..off my soap box.