Im anti Zoos, Aquariums, Seaworld and everything in between
Thoughts on this?
I draw a distinction with domesticated dogs and cats and other pet animals because i know they can bond with people and at least arent confined(provided their owners dont suck) and dont live just to be looked at by tourists. I know cats and dogs for example can like their owners and can be happy but wild animals should be wild.
I also wonder if its traumatizing for the animals with all the noise and cameras and music and bullshit that they experience that theyd never experience naturally.
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Permalink Reply by Psyche on -
Well good for you. I agree about zoos but not totally. I will go to zoos and places where the animals cannot live in the wild (places where the animals are rehabed. I worked in a rehab center for seals at the University of New England). If an animal is born not in the wild then wouldn't it be cruel to put them out in the wild?
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Permalink Reply by Sylvester on -
Thats an exception im ok with. If its a good cause fine i support it.
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Permalink Reply by Níos Sine Dia on -
I see what your saying with the whales, but Zoos?
How about a situation like this:
The Tasmanian Devils will all die, if we don't keep some in captivity.
Breeding programs to save a race?
How about nature preserves?
Many animals can bond across species.
Elephants, other primates, tons of sea mammals, etc have shown emotional attachments to people.
Even top level predators like this one.
What about it?
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Permalink Reply by Noe Tellusom on -
^Ditto.
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Permalink Reply by Maris Hellfaerie (Maire) on -
My thoughts are that you don't have any children, or children you take care of.
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SponsorPermalink Reply by Fen on -
I'm sure the animals hate being in zoos, why do you think monkeys throw their shit at people..heck if I was behind bars and had eyes gawking at me all the time I think I'd be a shit throwing animal too! On a more positive note, my neice happens to be working with large cats, but they are in a rescue and preserve facility (rescued from humans that thought they could own such a wild animal) and some were rescued from zoos that just went belly up. Places like that are needed, she's even traveling to India to study the cat further...so there are some good humans out there when it comes to animals and helping them.
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Permalink Reply by Maris Hellfaerie (Maire) on
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Trent Reznor says it best.
"Right Where It Belongs", 1st Verse
See the animal in his cage that you built
Are you sure what side you're on?
Better not look him too closely in the eye
Are you sure what side of the glass you are on?
See the safety of the life you have built
Everything where it belongs
Feel the hollowness inside of your heart
And it's all
Right where it belongs
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Permalink Reply by Sylvester on
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Ya i love that song. Not sure how relevent it is though i think its message is a different one.
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Permalink Reply by Lilitu Xoc on -
No, they don't always hate it.
If you get to roam around, your food provided, shelter, protection from predators, and r and r, you would not mind being in a zoo so much. Sometimes they come back themselves. One time a hippo escaped and no one could capture her. Sooner or later she would go back to her cage for food, then go back out into the wild. This got longer and longer until she decided that having everything provided to her was better than surviving in the wild because she's a spoiled hippo.
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Permalink Reply by TuathaSidhe Jem on -
I would highly disagree with you that wild animals cannot form any bonds. Just because an animal acts with its natural instinct doesn't mean it doesn't bond. Wolf packs bond with each other, but that doesn't take away the chance that for whatever reason, they will run a member out, or even kill them. Also, just because an animal is domesticated doesn't mean it will form a good bond with someone. I've met plenty of dogs who don't care much for humans and prefer to hang out with their doggy partners more, and there is a reason they say cats have servants lol.
Woman killed by her dogs I'll have to find the report, but it came back that they did kill her, she didn't fall and them start pawing or biting her to wake her up.
Two other really good shows are The Man Among Wolves, Shaun Ellis, raised a pack of abandoned North American Timber Wolf pups and became a part of their pack. I don't mean as a caregiver, I mean as one of them. There is a lot of controversy in his methods of course, and you are going to find people who disagree and agree with it, but non the less, its very interesting.
Then you have Timothy Treadwell, AKA Timothy Dexter AKA The Grizzly Man, who decided to go and live with the bears and eventually ended up getting killed by them. Not after living with them for 13 summers and getting close to them. IMO though he was egotistical and didn't respect what he was going, I think he wanted to be like Charlie Vandergaw who does live with both black bears and grizzly bears.The Man Who Lives with Bears
(ok so that was three other examples)
My point is, all animals bond, but all animals are animals, domesticated or not. While there are differences obviously, this doesn't mean that it is totally different. Even domesticated animals still have natural instincts that they go by. All to often, people forget this.
My views have changed over the years, I use to be die hard set against people owning wild animals. But that has changed a lot after actually working with and making friends with those who work with animals. If someone can meet the emotional, mental and physical needs of an animals and do so safely, then I see no reason as to why they can't keep them. Obviously with rules, permits and restrictions. I don't believe in a free for all..and I also include zoos and the like in my statement. Just because a place is a sanctuary or zoo doesn't mean that they are GOOD, or should be keeping animals at all. But a GOOD zoo or what have you, that works towards the health and keeping of the animals, helping preserve them, trying to keep them from going extinct, etc etc, are worth more than their weight in gold IMO.
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