I was out last night with my bf and some of our friends most of the occultist. one of my friends boyfriend brought up psychotropics at which most of the people in the discution agreed that useing these substances would be best used under supervision of someone to act as babysitter (ie making sure people don't get lost or walk into the road) this guy got very upset and even more so when I brought up messing with people while they where halucinateing. when I brought this up he got indignant and followed it with "if anyone did that I would curse them with black magic" then he went on a tirade about having studying such things for 6 or 7 years.
it leaves a bad taste in my mouth and made my bf go into high alert mode. has anyone exsperanced other practioners acting in bad taste? or does anyone have any insight on what my next move should be since I have to deal with this dude as he is dateing my friend
Seeing as I don't believe in curses or magic(k), I can't speak to that effect.
I do find your assertion that everyone needs a trip-sitter to be gross generalization. I didn't need a sitter on my first trip, I wont need one when I finally use DMT.
No matter the situation, no matter the strength of the substance; I am always in control.
Those who have bad trips, or experience problems, are simply not ready for the unadulterated introspective view that they experience.
Just as I do not need a psychiatrist or a psychologist to evaluate me, I don't need a trip-sitter.
There is actually a growing movement of using hallucinogens in therapy; the effects of a therapy session on mushroom show a lot of improvement for up to a year, LSD being used to cure alcoholism, Ibogaine can cure any addiction.
'he got indignant and followed it with "if anyone did that I would curse them with black magic"
'Those who have bad trips, or experience problems, are simply not ready for the unadulterated introspective view that they experience'
Yeah, I would agree with that. My first experience with LSD was as an adolescent, unprepared, unequipped and unready to deal with the shift in perspective. I freaked.
Seems a long time ago now *sighs*
I think I get where your going. He was one of those my wand is bigger than your wand types and it bugged you, right?
I actually find these type entertaining. But I find the oddest things funny most of the time.
I would not worry about him in general, me thinks he protest to much comes to mind.
As for him being your friends boyfriend, well I'm sure in time he will notice and deal with it and if not it is his life to live as he pleases isn't it. As for the group thing, he may very well of just been trying to puff up a bit because he was nervouse about meeting you all. New face in the crowd kind of thing, but if he makes a habit of it, just point out his flawed thinking and he will either get a clue or not. If not, shut the f up always works.
He sounds like an immature jackass who can't stand to hear others' opinions. I'd sit tight and hope my friend sees the same thing and dumps the guy quickly.
This kind of thing IS (unfortunately) common among the "Occult" community (mostly novices trying to prove something, meanwhile getting nowhere). Typically I ignore it considering people who go off on a tangent like this haven't the slightest clue of what they're talking about, much less actually doing what they talk about (i.e. cursing).
Personally, I would just laugh it off as childish nonsense, not worth worrying about.
I'm not opposed to the idea of being safe while intoxicated. I don't do anything other than occasionally drinking, so I can't really say much about trip sitters. But my opinion about drugs is, that if you're going to get intoxicated, doesn't matter if it's alcohol or the harder stuff, you should only do it around people you can trust. People who aren't going to try anything, won't let you wander off by yourself or leave with a strange person, who will be willing to get you medical help if the need arises. People getting intoxicated around unsavory or flaky people is how people end up getting taken advantage of, or doing stupid stuff like passing out in lawn sprinklers and then freezing to death (this actually happened to a guy at the University I attended). Maybe it's because I'm a woman. We have to think about stuff like this you know?
As for the asshole. If you spend any descent amount of time in the pagan/occult community you'll come across people like this unfortunately. Some people just have a huge sense of self grandiose.