Pledge of Allegiance-Poll for my class

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Permalink Reply by Melissa on November 4, 2009 at 11:52pm

i really love all the responces. So excited that I will have tons of stuff to put into my project! thanks to everyone who is responding!

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Permalink Reply by Alan on November 5, 2009 at 12:52am

I am of a mixed mind. I am a patriotic American; I wore the uniform, my 4 y/o salutes the flag and thanks uniformed soldiers in stores. On the other hand, the pledge was created to help force culture down the throats of the children of immigrants (think about what the words say).
I want permanent residents to work and speak clear English. I do not want them forced to give up their culture or to pay lip service to Jehovah; they can do these things if they freely choose to.
I know that Jewish children are required to stand during the pledge (as a sign of respect), but are not required to say it. This seems fair to me...respect the country you are in, even if your culture says not to say those specific words.

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Permalink Reply by Joseph Andrew Zuchowski on November 5, 2009 at 2:00am

The recitation of the Pledge is not mandatory, Jehovah's Witnesses are exempt from saying and even standing for it, as they hold swearing allegiance to any other then Jehovah is idolatry. As for myself, my reasons: For one thing I was taught the Pledge when I was a child as many of us are and for the most part we learn it by rote, and are really not required to understand it. Just repeat it. (Awk, Polly wants a cracker). The Pledge states with " justice and liberty for all," in this nation how many people are still denied equality and justice. When the Pledge was first penned in 1892, women were denied the right to vote, African Americans many of who began their lives as slaves were still held in bondage by the effects of Jim Crowism a state of bondage that was in many ways far worse then slavery. Also look at what was done to the Native Peoples of this land. I think it was in 1895 that Congress passed laws denying citizenship to people of Asian ancestry. Even today the government is going against itself for do we express the idea of "Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness." but do we live up to it, by opposing such things as health care, we deny millions of people the right to live, by putting restrictions on a person's right to choose or whom they can legally marry we certainly deny them their rights to liberty and happiness. Also "One nation under God" this was added in 1954. this acknowledges monotheism many Pagan parents teach their children to be Polytheist in the pledge they would be demanded to believe in one god, for that matter I am an atheist, I am compelled when I recite the pledge to state something that is direct opposition to what I personally believe. When we look at the Pledge and what we see in history how can we recite it. It is just a farce.

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Permalink Reply by Ross on November 5, 2009 at 12:16pm

Everyone has the right to love. So, technically, yes gays are in fact being denied the right to legally marry the one they love.

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Permalink Reply by Rose on November 5, 2009 at 2:07pm

how can you be denied a right that youve never had....

WTF are you talking about??!! Women were denied the vote, slaves were denied their freedom, etc. I call bullshit.

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Permalink Reply by Rose on November 5, 2009 at 2:13pm

Its not like we used to let gays get married and then took it away.

Actually, there have been instances where a state passed gay marriage, lots of people were married, then it got overturned and their marriages were nullified. So yes, in some cases that is exactly what it's like.

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Permalink Reply by Rose on November 5, 2009 at 2:49pm

I care because of the separation of church and state issue. This is clearly to impose religious values which I do not share. My straightness has nothing to do with it.

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Permalink Reply by Tisiphone Lesombra on November 5, 2009 at 3:42pm

it shouldn't matter weather or not one can find an "established" religion that accepts gay marriage...I think rose's point is that legal marriage in the US should be based purely on legality and not on any basis of religion...

...why are some individuals denied benefits given to others just because of their gender...heterosexual couples are given certain rights when they are cohabitating and homosexual couples in the same situation often are not.

Permalink Reply by Rose on November 5, 2009 at 5:29pm

youll fully convince me of why I should care when you can show me a religion older than Wicca(started in the 50's) who supports gay marriage.

Unitarians...first church in England - 1774.

Permalink Reply by Rose on November 5, 2009 at 5:56pm

it shouldn't matter weather or not one can find an "established" religion that accepts gay marriage...I think rose's point is that legal marriage in the US should be based purely on legality and not on any basis of religion

Thank you, Tisiphone. It's democracy not theocracy.

Permalink Reply by Tisiphone Lesombra on November 19, 2009 at 8:42pm

absolutely Rose...
...i try...and i try to apologize if i mistake peoples' meanings...

Permalink Reply by Ross on November 5, 2009 at 10:38pm

well then I suggest you dont bring up an issue to support your way of thinking if your indifferent to it.

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