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There’s a war going on in the American Pagan community. On one side are racists who see gods like Odin and Thor as an embodiment of the supremacy whites have over the rest of the planet. On the other are the practitioners who believe these gods transcend racial lines and belong to everyone. Recently, the contention between these two groups has reached a tipping point as anti-racist Pagans try to claim the narrative around their faith before it is overtaken by alt-right racists. 

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Are you AFA, Snowflake? That makes me sad.

Also, paganism isn't one thing, it's a collaboration of free particles. 

I hope you find your inner black viking. =)

Interesting article.

I remember a decade or so ago local Heathens were accused of being racists. They would explain why they were not. One was a "white" person married to a "black" person but was still accused of being racist! I have not heard any mention of this recently.

Well now, it’s time to have some fun here, and add some fuel to the fire!

You know, this article doesn't cut shit.....It merely is a statement of a MINORITY, a vast minority, of racists who happen to be caucasian, and who happen to be pagan, and who have every right to be as racist as their left wing contemporaries. Abusing pagans as poster children of the twisted cultural and social agenda of crackpot fanatics and idiots like Sara Lyons, with all her mentally ill and infectious crap and hysteria attaching everything she doesn't like to NAZIS. So now, you see this attempt at poisoning the pagan community, (ha ha, good luck with that) in order to add to their socially disease riddled contagion.

The fact is, the vast majority or racists are left wing racists. The real problem with this is that it has become socially speaking, the rule rather than the so called white supremist racist exception. The new fashionable trendy term for anyone who is caucasian and who has a sense of national sovereignty, is now known as a "White Nationalist" belonging to a fantasy of influence known as the "Alt Right", assumingly aligning with National Socialists; IE NAZIS.

Left wing racism is sanctioned by the vastly influential left wing media. For example, National Public Radio (NPR) "Nationalist Pacifist Racists", white appeasers mixed with ethnic culturally biased and racist reporters, with a definitive political agenda, an agenda of racial hatred, as well as willing accomplices that they interview, many whom posture as fake victims, or documenting historical references that are no longer worth paying attention to. Inciting their already media and academic indoctrinated racially inflamed "flock" into never ending anti white sentiment, blaming white people for all their problems, in order to concoct an imbalance of political power.

This is a culture of mentality in this country. The culture of socially correct poison, because it is so influential as a media operation designed to gut normal relations between various ethnicities, propagandize and incite MASS hatred as well as social and ethnic polarization, in order to accomplish a political objective.

They scapegoat America's new anti immigration policy as fodder for their twisted ideological views of who should, or who should not, enter another's country completely unchallenged, again, in order to MASS MOBILIZE a political voting block.

They also use the wars in the middle east to undermine and distort the destabilization of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, as problems created by Americans. Yes, countries that have been involved in religiously motivated civil wars for centuries. They always find testimonials by disgruntled and ideologically twisted Arab immigrants in this country, who quite frankly, ought to be deported, if they think we handed them such a bad deal, regardless of who exactly handed it to them.

Problems created by the likes of Americans, particularly politicians, who promoted a "cut and run" strategy in the middle east, undermining the risk and expense our military took, in finally stabilizing the region, only to be zealously gutted almost overnight by left wing foreign policy military initiative.

Hasn't racism among Norse pagans been an issue for some time?

This is not a new issue.

Nor is it likely to go away any time soon.  There's always going to be the "pure race" pagans, even though most ancient pagan religions were mostly about location not what race you were.

The best information on the problems of Norse Paganism and its infiltration by neo-Nazi groups,Satanism and the racist Metal bands is here:

http://https://www.academia.edu/237008/Heathens_up_North_Politics_P...

 

Like I said, it was going to be fun. It's really a full moon hangover.

http://https://www.academia.edu/237008/Heathens_up_North_Politics_P...

What was that? A fluffy bunny garden variety academic opinion? If you can read it.

What modern Europeans have to say about this is mostly rubbish. If you are suggesting that the ANCIENT Norse people lived on beds of roses, then you should go back to your perfumed little academic enclave and study some real Norse history, if that is indeed even possible. Wars and conquest is something most people have no stomach for, that is why they try to sugar coat this in any way they can.

Here sweet pea, let me play a little tune for you, from a true authentic modern Norseman. I think you can actually "read" this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcwcxBf_fTEI am a viking

Catholic religion was originally comprised of white people, they simply decided to let everybody into their genocidal camps. In that sense, Satanism looks to be a bed of perfumed roses. I can't recall how many people were killed by Satanists, can you? Hitler was more of a self proclaimed eclectic pagan, he was not a Satanist, neither was Stalin, nether was Mao Tse tung. and neither is Kim Jong Un

Study a little more history, and you will find that the northern tribes spent as much time going after the Romans, as the Romans did going after them, and it was indeed ugly.

"And even some archaeological finds have indicated that they had trade as well."

That doesn't mean anything as far as racist elements in ancient religions, either pre-meditated, or incidental. What does trade have to do with racial bias or ethnic or racial exclusion? Are you saying that Chinese and Japanese were in love with each other? Mongolians and Huns in love with Europeans maybe?

Child slavery? Hence, yes, that could be construed as racist, but apparently that goes over your head as well. And you somehow think that because someone is admitted as a slave, that they become accepted into the local culture? Really? Have you ever taken a census on this? Count how many gladiators got that far. Many slaves never lived to see that opportunity. Gladiators weren't need as slaves, though, it was just good entertainment and prisoner execution. Count how many Jews got that far in the Roman, Roman empire.

Just come to grips with the fact that racism is a component of all ethnic based religions, with the exception of Christianity, also, assuming you call Jews white people.

The notion that people want to fight racism, at all costs, what cost, your life, maybe? To that level, or just a minimal cost, you know, a few lumps on the head. Or just a windbag approach. Then good luck with that, keep on fighting, there's a long long winding road, a long way to go, and you won't live that long.

"And even some archaeological finds have indicated that they had trade as well."

That doesn't mean anything as far as racist elements in ancient religions, either pre-meditated, or incidental. What does trade have to do with racial bias or ethnic or racial exclusion? Are you saying that Chinese and Japanese were in love with each other? Mongolians and Huns in love with Europeans maybe?

Are you saying that interracial marriages and sex never happened?  LMAO.

Child slavery? Hence, yes, that could be construed as racist, but apparently that goes over your head as well. And you somehow think that because someone is admitted as a slave, that they become accepted into the local culture?

Of course.  The Romans proved that.  HELLO!  Not only were the slaves encouraged to worship their masters, and the official Roman gods, if they got their freedom, their children would become citizens.  IOW, they were FULLY accepted into the local culture.

Really? Have you ever taken a census on this?

History speaks for itself.  The laws of ancient Rome are quite clear on this.

Count how many Jews got that far in the Roman, Roman empire.

The Jews stayed married to each other.  Remember, these weren't modern Reform Jews, these were ancient Jews.  Who still adhered to their Laws.  They only married among themselves in those days.

Just come to grips with the fact that racism is a component of all ethnic based religions, with the exception of Christianity, also, assuming you call Jews white people.

Nope, I don't have to.  History says otherwise.  So does DNA.

I truly don't understand the insistence I see that every pagan has a duty to react violently to racist, alt-right, and white supremacist people who happen to share our beliefs or beliefs similar to them. I see people, I admit, mostly on Discord, Tumblr, Reddit, and other social media, demand that online communities founded around or based in occult, pagan, or esoteric practices react almost instantly to any perceived racism, fascism, or nationalism, regardless of intent or actual degrees of offending viewpoints.

The article mentions a white supremacist group that bought 44 acres of land in the middle of Bumfuck, Tennessee so that they could practice paganism their way without any of the darkies ruining their fun. I say GOOD. Let them go off into the middle of Bumfuck, where their message will be contained within their community and they can stop ruining our fun.

I think leftists in America have adopted the Witch Hunt/House Un-American Activities Committee policy of swing first, ask questions maybe. I honestly think that this is doing them a disservice. Other religions don't feel compelled to react when bad people are found to be or claimed to be members of their congregations. I don't remember calls by Christians to shoo people out the doors of churches with chairs after all the molestation by priests came to light. If anyone asks us about racist fuckwits we can just say "Those people do not reflect the majority of our community, here is what we're really all about." Anyone unsatisfied with that answer probably wasn't going to listen to reason anyway.

I'm probably rambling now and I've definitely lost any sense of remembering what I was talking about.

Teal Deer: We're not the only group that has to deal with problem members, so can we please maybe stop acting like it's the worst thing evar and is going to be the direct cause of the downfall of the global pagan community? K thx.

I respect your opinion, Malteras. If your tradition is particular to a lineage then I have no problem. 

The problem is that we are not one thing and open pagans already have a pretty big target on their back. We only received legal recognition not too long ago in the USA. Unity got us that. Independence got us that. 

Traditions are often exclusive, but open racism hurts us all. You can call me PC or a lib-tard, but that doesn't mean I'm not right. 

Pitching everything as a "war" is unproductive and delusional. Alt-Right (white supremacist, neo-Nazi) politics is part of a dead and dying culture--let it die. Do you have any other interests? I think you need a hobby.

The entire subject of pagan racism is totally disingenuous, it's pathetic. It plays to the most grossly uninformed and naïve people. This topic has been aired, dried, and smoked beyond it's shelf life in here, but yet we half to keep being reminded of the most irrelevant influence this has on any -pagan image, beyond any other religious platforms.

What goes out the window is the fact that EVERY  historically recognized religious culture that has ever existed had an exclusive ethnic and racial base of originality. Simply for no other reason, that the ancient cultures were demographically spread out enough to keep themselves relatively isolated from on each other. There was no information age, or instant social media.

Voodoo, is a  black man's religion, "Native American Spirituality" is an Indian religion, Islam is an Arab's religion. You get the point? Norse religion is a WHITE MAN"S religion, in it's original state. How all this evolves is beside the point. The fact is that all religions, or even sub religious cultural generalities such as "paganism" have a racist, and some with a SEXIST component to them, whether it is miniscule and irrelevant, or not. 

So all this pissing whining and complaining about racism in paganism, for example, is a red herring.

If anyone wants to claim exclusive rights to the ethnic roots of their religious ideals, that is their right to do so, and most certainly, that is the way it is in the real world. Telling an Indian or an Arab purist that their religious beliefs ought to be bastardized by diversity, is the most disingenuous intrusion, ass backward thing I can imagine. If they want to be exclusionist, then let them be exclusionist. If they want to be sexist and racist, homophobe, or whatever, what the fuck is the big deal with that?

Bottom line is the Norse religions are no exception.

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