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So, recently James T. Hodgkinson asked people playing baseball if they were Republican or Democrat before open fire and shooting anybody who was a Republican.  His victim was Steve Scalise.  

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rep-steve-scalise-shot-at-congressiona...

Not that long ago, there has been a mentally handicap teenage boy who was kidnapped by 4 people for merely wearing a Trump hat. 

There are videos by Tim Poole saying Republicans organizing a rally and setting up the rally months in advance just for AntiFa to show up to bring rocks, bricks, knives, and all sorts of weapons to injure anybody who voted Trump.

Yet, Trump supporters are constantly called "Nazis."  When all the violence comes from the other side.  It reminds me of the Salem Witch Trials.  Where so many Christians were falsely accused Witchcraft.  "I saw Sarah with the devil."  And the people cried and pleaded.  "I'm no more a witch than you are."  None of those people were witches for anybody who knows anybody about history.  Yet, they were falsely accused of it, then put to death. 

There are very few Trump supporters that would label themselves Nazis or White Nationalists or White Supremacists.  When Tim Poole asked multiple Trump supporters live and on air if they were one of those.  All the people he asked said, "No."  And they hate those people. 

It seems more normal to cherry pick alt-righters out of all Trump supporters, then labeling all Trump supporters by the fringe.  Then injuring them.  If the roles were reversed it would be like labeling all Hillary voters as TERFs.   Cherry picking all the TERFs, then going, "Well, this person is a TERF so you must be one. So, I'm going to shoot you."  Whether or not the Hillary voter supports TERFs who absolutely hates them and want nothing to do with them.  IF the roles were reversed and Hillary voters were at risk of being maimed, beaten, ignored for being a Communist, which is probably the very FRINGE elements of the Democrat party that doesn't represent all or even most Democrats.  People on the left would be pissed.    Yet, we get constantly comparisons to Nazism.  When anybody could see that all the violence, censorship, etc comes from the left.   When the worst part of the Nazis were all the people that they killed and censored.   Nazis loved burning books and ideas.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005852

Ironically enough, the people I see representing the Nazi party the most would be the left, since the censorship and violence is the worst part of the Nazi Party.   Had there been no violence or censorship.  I don't think anybody would complain about a peaceful party where nobody got hurt.   It's the violence and censorship that people have a problem with.  Which is what the left is engaging in.  Like ANTIFA and BAMN.  Those people may not represent the entirety of the left.  But they are being encouraged whenever a person goes, "Those Trump supporters are Nazis."  Even though, AntiFa and BAMN really do view Trump supporters as Nazis and seeks to harm them.  Even though there are black and gay Trump supporters.

Such as the gay Trump supporters banned from Gay Pride

http://www.wwl.com/media/audio-channel/gay-trump-supporters-banned-...

http://reason.com/blog/2017/06/09/lgbt-pride-parade-turns-away-gay-...

It's just faulty reasoning of the fringe is supposed to represent the majority. and the majority is supposed to represent the fringe.  Where I spoken to a number of Trump voters with black girlfriends, wives, or biracial children.  But these people are supposed to be racist Nazis?  Though, renown feminist Laci Green is now called a Nazi, and a white supremacist for dating Chris Ray Gun, a Puerto Rico, who has 3 black roommates, that he's very close to.  Even to the point of buying his black roommates very expensive gifts.

Racism has come to mean.  Anybody who's Not a Democrat.  Including Centrist people like me.  Nazism is anybody who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton or Jill Stein.  It is no different than if the roles were reversed and if Republicans flippantly called all Hillary and Jill Stein voters Communists even if the majority would never identify that way.  And to just cherry pick the Communists and find websites and blogs and shower the actual Communists Hillary supporters with all sorts of attention then going, "See, they do represent all of you." 

Because there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between the narrative I hear and gay people hear and personal experience interacting with these people.  Where I'm black and bisexual.  Scott is gay.  Yet, we've been treated very well.  They have been more nicer to me than years and years inside a Wiccan community.  And yes, how a person treats me does matter because actions speak louder than words. 

I don't care for people who go on and on about how much they LOVE the black community and want to talk about black struggles, when they mistreated me even during the time I voted for Obama twice.  I voted for Obama twice.  We're on the same page.  Still wasn't treated with any warmth or kindness with how much you just LOVE black people.  You would think that back in Obama era when I voted for him twice that during that time frame I would get well treated.  But I wasn't.  Caring about black people just seems to be nothing more than virtue signaling.  Something people say to feel good about themselves, but nothing they actually mean. 

I have no idea what comes to your mind when you say, "Nazi."  I think of people who aren't for the diversity of ideas and want to censor different ideas from being heard like INVITED Republican speakers being disinvited from campuses.  I think of how the Nazis viciously attacked a diverse group of people.  They didn't just attack the Jews. They killed various people, too.  To me, ANTIFA and BAMN and the gunman is more similar to the Nazis because they are the ones actually hurting people.  I'm a black bisexual, and I'm more afraid of being attacked by ANTIFA, then merely being in the middle of a Trump rally.  

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And thank you for showing how crazily you react to my

statement and request...

You did your overboard , accusing diatribe wall of text again !

...lol...thanks for the laugh...misery ?

No , that is for people who love politics...

Me , I just think the whole thing is crazy...

I think your love to argue and deny your own obsession is crazy...

I think Trump , and all his cronies are crazy , but they affect me...

That is why I hate him and his crew...they like the rich , getting richer ,

and don't care about the poor , and common folk...

Anybody who gold plates their bathroom fixtures , or car , or any

other personal belongings to show off their wealth , is crazy...

Anybody who supports that is crazy...or a person , or people

like that , is crazy...

Your obsession with being number one , two , or three , or need

to promote yourself that way , I think is crazy...

Do I think some liberals are crazy ?

Sure , just not as crazy in my opinion , as others , as there is

at least more care , as far as I have seen , of the common folk.

I still think many of them are crazy...

That is why I do not live in misery , I laugh so much each day , it hurts...

Many times , when you post , at how crazy your posts are...

And your superiority complex , IMO...;)

So , go ahead , post another page of W.O.T. ( wall of text ) ,

defending your position , praising yourself , and the nuts you

agree with and believe in...

Give Me Another Belly Laugh For My Day...;)

By the way , unless you are seeing things , we

do not have an enter button , on Paganspace...lol !

I feel like this entire thread gave me cancer

It is why many of us , me included stay out of the

political threads , most of the time...;)

Time to lighten things up...a little...;)

Trump Accidentally Records Over Comey

Meeting Tape With Idea For Candy Hotel

http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-accidentally-records-over-com...

Trump's staged rallies and the empty seats out of camera angles must be caused by not enough paid attendees.....

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/there-are-real-paid-protesters-but-...

You may have mocked claims about the existence of paid protesters as just another lie from the right. As it turns out, at least on this one issue, they’re actually telling the truth. The problem is, the right neglected to mention those paid protesters are part of the right-wing apparatus.

The story starts last week, when the right wing decided to aim its selective outrage at a free staging of Shakespeare’s play “Julius Caesar” held in New York City’s Central Park. Mike Cernovich, a self-described member of the alt-right who thinks the U.S. should give immigrants IQ tests, put up a YouTube video in which he offered cash to any protesters willing to disrupt the play for pay.

“I’ll give up to 10 people $1,000,” Cernovich says in the footage. “I need you to get up with either a ‘CNN is ISIS’ or ‘Bill Clinton’s a rapist’ or ‘The media is terrorism’ [sign]. And if you’re able to get up and be escorted out by security, then I will give you $1,000.”

In other words, Cernovich was actively and openly looking to recruit paid protesters. You know how conservatives made up that ridiculous myth about George Soros sending checks to liberals who march in protests? This is the real version of that, only sponsored by Cernovich.

The story actually gets richer, so to speak, as it continues. The night after Cernovich’s offer, two protesters went to see “Julius Caesar” in the park. Semi-notorious right-wing media figure Laura Loomer snagged a ticket for a second-row seat that definitely should have gone to someone who actually wanted to see the play. Alt-right provocateur Jack Posobiec, whose greatest hits include pizzagate and the Seth Rich conspiracy lie, also showed up. The two Trumpites told the New Yorker they hadn’t planned to meet—which may or may not be true—and once they spotted each other, they sat apart so as not to arouse suspicion. “Are you here for the Cernovich contest?” Posobiec reportedly texted Loomer, according to the New Yorker. She responded, “Just stay tuned.”

As long as we argue about the various tactics of "Right" and "Left" we are going to fall for the whole "trick".  Both sides within the political realm use similar tactics.  Both sides lie.  Both sides represent incomplete views of life:

Breaking it down in simplistic terms:

Left: Social Freedoms yet desire to be taken care of by "Government" (ie: taxing someone else and giving a tiny portion to various groups whilst the "Government (those in power)" keep the lions share for themselves.  The left claim to represent the "little guy" and "those who are minority/under-represented" etc. Claim to represent diversity.

Right: Economic Freedoms yet desire to control every aspect of moral and social responsibility.  Like laws restricting the use of your consciousness and prefer a traditionalist and mainly Christian view social behavior backed up by law.  Represent the "business person" and claim to represent tradition.

I realize that these are very simplistic definitions but I think it captures the base mindset and I realize there is a lot of overlap and complexities not defined here.

I think the main problem is that each side does include good things, and lots of bad things, and that is the point.  We are being sold a bill of goods from either side.  

Ultimately we each should decide on our own what our life should be like and what values we will hold, but do this with the full realization that everyone else has the same right.

Because there really is only One Law, a point I try to stress in all things: "Your life belongs to you.  You have the right to live it and do whatever you will as long as you never abrogate the rights of anyone else to the same."

The whole point of "Right and Left" is to make you think that you are "missing out on something" and "We" will take care of you!"

Screw them both.  Take care of yourself, do what you want, live your life as you will, and let everyone else do the same.  Stop thinking someone out there "Owes you something!"

Nobody owes you anything.  You came here with nothing, and your mere existence does not place a responsibility on anyone else, unless they decide to take that responsibility one themselves.  If you force a rich person to give you something, or a poor person, in either case you have committed theft.  Earn your own way.

And if you force someone to act like you, worship like you, dress like you, have sex like you, use or not use mind altering substances - you are committing a form of personal enslavement and mind control.

Just stop it!

It's time this damn human race grew up a bit and stopped playing these stupid, violent, subversive, and ultimately failing games of power.

If we don't... well, none of us will be able to live here, sadly.

For instance, do you think that everyone has a right to breathe clean air?  Do you think that everyone has a right to receive adequate health care?  A right to education which includes the teaching of skills that will enable an individual to make a decent living? 

If you dirty the air I breath, your are abrogating my right to life.  If you dirty your own air and keep it to yourself, no problem.  Same with every form of garbage.

Adequate healthcare? Well, each person probably has a personal idea of what "Adequate" means, but no.  You do not have a "right" to force a person or person to take care of you.  You have a "right" to seek and use (however you can) the substances, and help of those who are willing to do so, whether that is through payment, or if they volunteer it.

The fact is the word "right" has been bent and stretched out of all proportion.  Basically your "rights" end where my nose (and the nose of everyone else) begins. If a person demands a right to healthcare that in fact forces a doctor to treat you against that doctors personal will, that is not a "right" in any sense of the word.  Same with cakes and cake shops...or anything else for that matter.

Basically you have no right to the substance, property, time, or relationship of anyone else if they are not willing to give, sell, or trade those things to you. A person's existence does not foist any responsibility on another person (outside of the parents of that person when they are a minor).

And all apology to Mr. Rogers, but he would not have been a good hermeticist - one who stands between the pillars.  Nevertheless, I know what you mean here, and where I stand is on the One Law.

You see, far too many think that a person MUST belong to, and MUST be responsible for a community.  I don't believe that.  I believe a person joins a community or leaves it based on their personal prerogative at which point they do have responsibility because they have chosen it.

I guess I would be labeled as an "Ultra Libertarian" although I eschew political labels.

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