Skyclad is ritual nudity #2
Skyclad is used to refer to ritual nudity Part #2
Well than if you feel this is new age thinking UMM! maybe it could be age of new thinking. Something most have not come acrossed or experienced is someone abusing skyclad . Any kind of not having clothes on would be considered nude period. to some peoples veiws. because it could be taken as or considered pornagraphic in some twisted unimformed mind.
Well it has come up and I guess that is why I personally posted the discussion for people to think about. I do UNDERSTAND were stating in a reply post "I NEVER in all my years as a witch ever considered being skyclad anything having remotely to do with anything pornographic." Well I guess it was consider.( no not pornagraphic, or how could it be pornographic? or where did this come from to even compare spiritual nudity with porno?). in ones choice to reply to this discussion it made each person think and debate and discuss. If being spiritual was all present in skyclad than we all would not have a issue. But, if given a chance to be twisted into something less than it's attended meaning, it could be veiwed as pornagraphic. If one had lack of knowledge what the beginnings of skyclad... who, what, where; The knowledge of skyclad came from. Skyclad can be used negatively to control another person whom has no knowledge of its true meaning .
I wish we could say that no group of people have not twisted the Great Rite to become a reason for having a sexual orgy under the title of Holding and carrying the cone of power. Can we just turn our heads and pretend that some have not twisted the 5 fold kiss into a way to make themselves out to be the God or Goddess by demanding those in the group to just show them honor by demanding every member to perform this to them on verbal demand. Worse those involved have no knowledge or no clue that they do not have to have sex with the high priest or priestess or whom ever they point to be the sexual partner as a requirement to belong to a coven or the person can not see they even are being used as sexual slaves in the name of Witchcraft by to me for lack of words or title for sexual preditor using titles like High Priest/High Priestess.
I know how I worded this discussion it came across unclear and more like a shock jock on a radio program, but it is getting more people to think and make better choices and see different views and have some knowledge that they may not have had if they did not read this discussion on Skyclad.
Where does Skyclad and Porno.. start and stop? I started with where Skyclad it came from.. Now I want to see where it stops being the sacred per say.. and goes into becoming a issue that could be taken as pornographic. I am sure in time this discussion will take a stab at how anybody that practices any rites without clothing or robes is a disgrace , and also leads us right to anybody that is naked is wanting sex. or anyone naked wants to be raped (just looking at where many have gone there already in post). Far fetched ? actually this Discussion may have many under and over lying layers. But is that not a form of Discussion?
It did make me angery to read the statement "Sounds like something us olde witches never worried about to begin with.." You need to worry when there are people out here posing as High Priestesses and High Priests under the disguise/ cover of the Craft abusing people whom have no knowledge of the true meaning behind things in Paganism.I then feel the stated "us olde witches" Than whom ever you claim in that as olde witches need to stop standing by your cauldrons stirring the laundry and look and see those whom are being abused by those whom twist The Craft to fit their own non-Craft ways ..Your knowledge and teachings (pointing my finger at us olde witches) are needed so our people learn and know the true ways.
Well than if you feel this is new age thinking UMM! maybe it could be age of new thinking. Something most have not come acrossed or experienced is someone abusing skyclad . Any kind of not having clothes on would be considered nude period. to some peoples veiws. because it could be taken as or considered pornagraphic in some twisted unimformed mind.
Well it has come up and I guess that is why I personally posted the discussion for people to think about. I do UNDERSTAND were stating in a reply post "I NEVER in all my years as a witch ever considered being skyclad anything having remotely to do with anything pornographic." Well I guess it was consider.( no not pornagraphic, or how could it be pornographic? or where did this come from to even compare spiritual nudity with porno?). in ones choice to reply to this discussion it made each person think and debate and discuss. If being spiritual was all present in skyclad than we all would not have a issue. But, if given a chance to be twisted into something less than it's attended meaning, it could be veiwed as pornagraphic. If one had lack of knowledge what the beginnings of skyclad... who, what, where; The knowledge of skyclad came from. Skyclad can be used negatively to control another person whom has no knowledge of its true meaning .
I wish we could say that no group of people have not twisted the Great Rite to become a reason for having a sexual orgy under the title of Holding and carrying the cone of power. Can we just turn our heads and pretend that some have not twisted the 5 fold kiss into a way to make themselves out to be the God or Goddess by demanding those in the group to just show them honor by demanding every member to perform this to them on verbal demand. Worse those involved have no knowledge or no clue that they do not have to have sex with the high priest or priestess or whom ever they point to be the sexual partner as a requirement to belong to a coven or the person can not see they even are being used as sexual slaves in the name of Witchcraft by to me for lack of words or title for sexual preditor using titles like High Priest/High Priestess.
I know how I worded this discussion it came across unclear and more like a shock jock on a radio program, but it is getting more people to think and make better choices and see different views and have some knowledge that they may not have had if they did not read this discussion on Skyclad.
Where does Skyclad and Porno.. start and stop? I started with where Skyclad it came from.. Now I want to see where it stops being the sacred per say.. and goes into becoming a issue that could be taken as pornographic. I am sure in time this discussion will take a stab at how anybody that practices any rites without clothing or robes is a disgrace , and also leads us right to anybody that is naked is wanting sex. or anyone naked wants to be raped (just looking at where many have gone there already in post). Far fetched ? actually this Discussion may have many under and over lying layers. But is that not a form of Discussion?
It did make me angery to read the statement "Sounds like something us olde witches never worried about to begin with.." You need to worry when there are people out here posing as High Priestesses and High Priests under the disguise/ cover of the Craft abusing people whom have no knowledge of the true meaning behind things in Paganism.I then feel the stated "us olde witches" Than whom ever you claim in that as olde witches need to stop standing by your cauldrons stirring the laundry and look and see those whom are being abused by those whom twist The Craft to fit their own non-Craft ways ..Your knowledge and teachings (pointing my finger at us olde witches) are needed so our people learn and know the true ways.
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Permalink Reply by Fionn oMurchu on -
It moves from the sacred to the profane when it is abused, as you say. Meantime there are those who can't get beyond puritanism. I'm not saying a person should go unclothed at ritual if he or she is not comfortable with the concept. I'm merely putting out the concept that the human body is a beautiful, sacred thing, and people should not be judged by others for their practices, including skyclad ritual.
Abusers should be shunned and ignored but, just as the Catholics say they shouldn't be judged by pedophile priests, we should not be judged by those who see a spiritual concept as an opportunity to exploit their own sexual hangups.
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Permalink Reply by Noli on -
Well said Fionn. I agree, though I think that there should be times when people keep something on. Like if the ritual involves people who are new to the group, you just never know if a person might be sensitive to that and it's better to have people in a circle that are focused on the ritual itself and not the nudity and how uncomfortable they are with it.
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Permalink Reply by Fionn oMurchu on
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I tend to agree with you on all points. The women are just like suckers who get pulled in by a con ("I am writing from Nigeria, and I have ten million dollars I must dispose of - will you help?"), and the men are losers who would have no personal or sex lives but for their predatory practices. The Wheel turns...
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Permalink Reply by Margana on -
Skyclad, to those witches who participate in ceremonies and who are serious in their craft, would regard it as nothing more than a state of being that allows you to give and take the divines' energies.
But look at it this way, would those same witches allow a film crew from A&E to record it all while skyclad? No.
Would those same witches allow a Christian prayer group access to the ritual? No.
Perhaps its not the act of being nude, its the mentality of those witnessing the act that makes it natural or porno.
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Permalink Reply by Noli on
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Perhaps its not the act of being nude, its the mentality of those witnessing the act that makes it natural or porno.
Yup..
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Permalink Reply by bkyrdwtch on -
I think that it strange that most of the people that enjoy skyclad are men. It also boggles my mind that the groups that practice skyclad that I have been to visit, and there are dozens, are people that no one wants to see skyclad. People with the BMI of 25% and higher. Some people should keep clothes on so as not to distract others.
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Permalink Reply by bkyrdwtch on
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My concern is mainly the health risk of such a body shape. It's hard work to stay within a healthy range. I am by no means skinny. at 5/5 and kicking 122 and being 38 years old I am healthy. I am also not magnetized to my couch. I understand that every body ages differently. My distraction is the laziness that is shown by not tending to the garden that is our body.
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Permalink Reply by Michael F on -
So what if most of the people at sky clad rituals are people you don't want to see naked? You don't go to sky clad rituals to see other people nude. You go to worship in that particular manner because it is right for you (regardless of the size of the participant's waists, the droopiness of their chests, the knobbiness of their knees, etc...). If you just want to see young, pretty people, you go to a strip club.
I once heard it said that if you cannot meditate on a subway train in the middle of rush hour, then you do not truly know how to meditate. I think that could be adapted here - If you can't do a sky clad ritual without being distracted by other people's physical condition, then you truly do not know how to do the ritual.
And I'll freely admit that by the above standard, I can neither meditate or do ritual.
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Permalink Reply by Fionn oMurchu on
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BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Permalink Reply by Maximusstormcrow with Meat sauce on -
The Only Reason I can see to be Naked is Sex, or Skinny Dipping. Yep. That is about it.
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Permalink Reply by Maximusstormcrow with Meat sauce on
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This Ought to Shock you. I personally do not like it in a group setting.
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