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Interesting perspective indeed. I like it.

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Oh for the love of all things unholy. Wicca is not Eclectic. Dianic is not a Wiccan tradition.

Actually Wica is the orginal in electic religion building by Gardner. A little folk magic, traditional witchcraft, ceremonial Golden Dawn type stuff, with a good dose of now don't that just sound like fun and 70 years later people say what you just said. Take a few minutes and read up on the guy, a total showman for sure, made himself famous.

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Without the rituals it's not Wicca. Just because Gardner took from other religions/belief systems to create his own does not change that Wicca is not an Eclectic religion. They worship two very specific deities ( The Lord and Lady of the British Isles who's names are oathbound ) and only those two. They practice very specific rituals ( which are also oathbound ), as well as require specific steps to be taken before anyone can claim the title of Wiccan.

Gardner really isn't famous. He's only really known to those that take the time to look up who created Wicca, actual lineaged Wiccans, and those who study/know about religions like Wicca. The majority of Eclectic Wiccans have never heard of Gardner nor will they take the time to learn about him.

So how do you think Trad Wica came up with all those little rules of theirs?

Gardner and Doreen Valiente came up with them.

"Gardner and Doreen Valiente came up with them."

So that makes them electics, wouldn't you say?

Once again, without the rituals it's not Wicca. Doesn't matter who created what, it still isn't an Eclectic religion.

If you want to argue Wicca is eclectic then prove that it's eclectic and while you're at it prove that Wicca existed as a religion BEFORE Gardner created it 70ish years ago. Because Academic research disagrees with you.

I never said that it existed before Gardner developed it from several other paths 70 years ago.

I also said that it was an orginal in electic religion building and that Gardner was an electic by barrowing from several different paths and putting them together to form a religion.

Your words prove it, so I do not have too.

"Just because Gardner took from other religions/belief systems to create his own"

That is the very definition of electic.

He had the bulk of everything already created and formed. He only added bits from other religions/belief systems to complete the system he formed.

It's not an Eclectic path. It never was an eclectic path.

Dear I will agree to disagree with you.

You can not seem to see the truth of your own words. Perhaps english is not your first language? I will go with that as the reason if you have no issue with it.

I don't think you understand. Borrowing things=/=Eclectic path.

Gardner created his own path, added in bits from other paths, and formed Wicca. Using other bits of religions does not automatically make it an Eclectic path. If that was the case EVERY religion would be eclectic and they're not. Every religion has borrowed/stolen from religions/belief systems before them.

Without the rituals, it's not Wicca. Without the core beliefs, it's not Wicca.

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