The demonizing or belitting of the male presence in Paganism and Wiccan
There are many authors and followers who do not believe in following male deities. Yes to each their own I do agree with but, there comes a point in which I must ask why? Why belittle and demonize a God because he is male? I am not pointing a finger at everyone here so do not worry about that. I am only asking a question that has had me stumped for a while yet. I follow both a male on a female deity and I find it to be a balance that is necessary for myself personally.
I want to know what exactly you have gathered from experience of seeing these types leads you to wonder where they get these ideas from?
I want to know what exactly you have gathered from experience of seeing these types leads you to wonder where they get these ideas from?
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Permalink Reply by Brecia Veonne Bloom
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I have to admit it would be tempting....lol!
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Permalink Reply by Celticlass...FAERIE QUEEN -
NO,I dont...........Why? You should be your own credibility. You told us you were a genius the other day and bored by Mensa folk.why the need to name drop.......
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Permalink Reply by Bayou Mage -
Lass, I explained in detail, with references to sources, my position on stregha. Besides, and again, you're about 22 hours late as far as responding, it's all been said and done by now. That said, a bit of name-dropping never hurt anyone, and name-dropping an authority on a subject being debated is perfectly valid.
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Permalink Reply by Juxtapose Jigsaw -
I'm saying that Satanism, the literary Satanism is its influence. I never said it was Satanism. The cult of Herodias is a Christian myth about Satan - that's one of its influences it draws upon. Not including that Lilith is a figure married to Satan. She's a figure other Neopagans worship too, but they are not Satanists. Do you see what i am saying now?
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Permalink Reply by Bayou Mage
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well if you admit it is not satanism, then you cannot use it as an argument that satanism is paganism, which is what you did, hence my confusion. and i'm not rehashing the satanist/pagan thing, i'm just reminding you that you used Aradia as a supporting argument for satanism being legitimately paganism, so you've just undercut that whole part of your argument. besides, you're pretending to be an expert on a source you've never even read anything other than the translation of, apparently. next issue?
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Permalink Reply by Juxtapose Jigsaw
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No its Abrahamically influenced just like Satanism and has the same influences. But yet you claimed that as pagan but not Satanism.
And I believe the Aradia thing started out as a separate issue.
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Permalink Reply by Bayou Mage
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i never claimed it as pagan. in fact, i stated specifically it was not pagan, at least not originally. it was gnostic. nowadays i'd say it's pretty much pagan, but that's more a matter of intentional alignment between the two. and no, you brought it up as evidence that the term paganism was associated with satanism historically. maybe it was, but not in that specific context
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Permalink Reply by Wade -
Actually, Prof. Carlo Ginzburg was able to prove (in his Deciphering the Witches Sabbath) that the reference to Herodias was not a Biblical reference, but was a corruption of "Hera-Diana".
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Permalink Reply by Bayou Mage
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Yes, you are correct about that, Wade, partly, though the etymology of the name Aradia is actually from archaic Italian "ara" meaning "altar" and "dia" meaning "diana, "the altar of Diana", "altar" being a classical occult symbol for "body" and Aradia being clearly a sort of "avatar" of Diana. However, Leland's work was based on the reports of the Stregha themselves, and by that time they did associate Aradia or Herodias. They were a proudly heretical sect in many regards, with clearly violent antipathy towards their Christian oppressors, so it is not surprising they should associate Aradia with Herodias, except that Herodias was the butcher of John the Baptist, himself not a Christian (he was never a part of the Nazarene cult of Jesus), but the 19th century Stregha may not have considered this.
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I'm curious, and forgive me if I'm asking you to repeat yourselves, but what do you define Paganism to be? I myself think it's any religion or philosophical path that isn't one of the three universal religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam). Too broad? Too undefined? What do you think? It just seems as if different people are holding it to mean different things....
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Permalink Reply by Juxtapose Jigsaw
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Oh boy Brecia you're opening a can of worms.
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Is that a bad thing? ; )
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