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Margaret Atwood once asked a group of men why they feared women, and they replied “we’re afraid they might laugh at us.” She then asked a group of women why they feared men, and the women replied “we’re afraid they might kill us.”

This particular quote has been apprehended by a strong focus on Violence Against Women.  It recently appeared in episodes of Criminal Minds and Hannibal television series.  I recently came across This blog and there it is again.  

The actual quote is more accurately this:

"Why do men feel threatened by women?" I asked a male friend of mine.... "They're afraid women will laugh at them," he said.... Then I asked some women students in a quickie poetry seminar I was giving, "Why do women feel threatened by men?" "They're afraid of being killed," they said.

(Writing the Male Character, 1982 Published in "This", Magazine)

She presented a slightly different spin in her review of The Witches of Eastwick, 1984:

Wondering What it's Like to be a Woman

As modern pagans, do you think this meme is useful when addressing the dynamics of men and women attuned with Nature?

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do you think this meme is useful when addressing the dynamics of men and women attuned with Nature?

Absolutely.  Nothing's changed in the relationship between the sexes.

Since humans discovered fire, the only thing women needed protecting from is men.

Since humans discovered fire, the only thing women needed protecting from is men.

I wonder what Homo Erectus would have to say about that. Anyhoot.  

Is it accurate?  Don't men also face the same threat?  I follow Archaeological finds and I recall seeing an article that dates the oldest 'murder' to about 430,000 years ago somewhere in Spain.  This suggests that the species Homo (a thinking primate) is prone to killing its own kind regardless of sex.

Ancient Hindus conceptualized the dynamic between the sexes as static (male) and electric (female) as a design within nature.  From a survival standpoint, men have a different kind of strength than women but are they more violent?  I'm not so sure.  I think both have strengths and weaknesses, men and women both endure different trials in life.  If there's a clash between the two, I tend to lean more towards our intellectual abilities.

The Surprising Truth About Women & Violence sought to bring to the forefront the idea that any violent act committed by a woman tends to be trivialized when compared to that of men.

There is little dispute that men commit far more violent acts than women. According to FBI data on crime in the U.S., they account for some 90% of known murderers. And a study published in American Society of Criminology finds that men account for nearly 80% of all violent offenders reported in crime surveys, despite a substantial narrowing of the gap since the 1970s. But, whatever explains the higher levels of male violence—biology, culture or both—the indisputable fact is that it’s directed primarily at other males

Due to our intellectual abilities, I think the issues are framed in particular ways to distort the reality.  

I'm just wondering what other people think in relation to their ideological beliefs about nature and the dynamics of men and women.

I follow Archaeological finds and I recall seeing an article that dates the oldest 'murder' to about 430,000 years ago somewhere in Spain.  

If you can remember where you read that, let me know.  I remember reading about archaeologists unearthing a woman's skeleton from ancient Egypt who died with healed and not-healed defensive bone fractures in her forearms.

This suggests that the species Homo (a thinking primate) is prone to killing its own kind regardless of sex.

Not really, not on a single example.

But, whatever explains the higher levels of male violence—biology, culture or both—the indisputable fact is that it’s directed primarily at other males

Considering that a lot of the violence toward women by men that is unreported, I'd say there's a lot out there still to consider.

>Considering that a lot of the violence toward women by men that is unreported, I'd say there's a lot out there still to consider.

It also works the opposite way.

It also works the opposite way.

It does, but considering we all know men still are more violent than women, chances are the stats are still male-violence-against-women heavy.

Should we ignore that women are violent too? The attitude that women are less violent and less prone is more of benevolent sexism which has contributed to the lack of studies on female sexual predators for example. Women are tire more likely to kill children, something that a lot of feminism ignores. The reason we know this is only because it's too hard to ignore.

Odd that it hasn't been more aggressively studied until the 21st Century, the idea of a Female Pedophile/Sexual Predator, eh?

That is another gray area they ignore: women on women violence. Including sexual violence. There is no data on women on women rape because they ignore it. Bottom line: it is sexist to think women are the placid and nicer sex. The sexes are equal about violence, the details dffer.

If it is covered, it's usually limited to Military Service or Prison environments. Plenty of Women also assist in Male on Female Rape/Abuse/Murder.

Most domestic violence situations are initiated by women;

Wow, that's exactly what abusive husbands always say.  "She started it."  "It was her fault."

[eyeroll]

I don't think it was a comment meant to assign blame but more so address the catalyst.  Men are conditioned to NEVER hit a woman or defend themselves.

In my own family, a female would constantly and consistently use physical force to settle an argument. To include hurling items at a male member.  When it once escalated to the police showing up, the cops took the MALE out of the home and put him under arrest.

It wasn't until the hearing, when witnessed stepped forward to testify that it was initiated by the female member, and he was just defending himself.

He even had physical injuries on his person, while she showed none.

She was not charged with assault but he was for shoving her back away from him.

I don't think it was a comment meant to assign blame but more so address the catalyst.  Men are conditioned to NEVER hit a woman or defend themselves.

I think some people were raised very badly.

In my family and most of the people I know, we were raised, boys and girls both, not to hit ANYone.

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