Okay, Atlantis has been a mystery to me and a wonder. I love talking about it and listening to other's thoughts on the idea. So what do ya'll think or theorize?
Permalink Reply by Sid Diver on I don't know if you are aware of it, but your post was largly not talking about the Lemuria I was talking about.
The lost continent in the Pacific, for which Polynesian, Fijian & Pacific coast myths and legends have been appropriated is 'Mu', first written about in the 19th Century. 'Mu' itself, as a concept, has shifted - it was first invented as a greater Atlantis in the Atlantic, and actually was 'Atlantis'; then in the early 20th Century it was decided that it had actually existed in the Pacific and sank 1,000 years before Atlantis. More modern esoteric writers now try to identify it with Lemuria (and thus put Lemuria into the Pacific, where it was never previously said to be - Lemuria had been firmly placed in the Indian Ocean).
So we now have three lost land masses - Atlantis in the Atlantic, Lemuria in the Indian Ocean and Mu in the Pacific.
As to the earlier post re: Egypt, Greek & Atlantian civilization. Plato and Herodotus are quite clear that they believed Egyptian civilization was far older than Greek. The Greeks knew that they got much of their own culture from Egypt, and even that some of their ancestors came from there. Herodotus does not talk about Atlantis (which is strange considering that he talked to the same priesthood that Solon did), and Plato does not say when Atlantis was founded, but he is clear that at the final cataclysm other nations did exist (and not just the Greek and Egyptian ones) which accords with the chronology that Herodotus presents. The only reason Atlantis got mentioned at all, and how we know about it, is because these other civilizations existed in the story (a war with Athens that was recorded by the Egyptians). People love the concept of Atlantis, but very few know the original story from which we get it from - and therefore claim 'Plato' as evidence, but then completely ignore what he says.
Permalink Reply by Dave Pellani on I don't know if you are aware of it, but your post was largly not talking about the Lemuria I was talking about.
The lost continent in the Pacific, for which Polynesian, Fijian & Pacific coast myths and legends have been appropriated is 'Mu',
Yes I am aware of that, I was just drawing another analogy
Good reminder, The term Lemuria or Lumeria is popular out here amongst the shamans, as well as the term MU. MU meaning “People of Silence”. That reminds me of the migration issue as well. Right off the top of my head. without going into my reference materials, the Hawaiians and other Pacific Islanders had these strange beliefs that there was a race of "beings" (MU) that inhabited many of the Pacific Islands before the arrival of humans as we know them, that emanated from the heavens, (that shows up in some of the chants and incantations). Considering New Zealand, Australia, and Indonesia, the migration of the MU, or “Children of Light”, from wherever they originated, was typically thought to be toward the west, across the Asian continent and sub continents, India, Ceylon, etc and the Indian Ocean toward Africa, hence the continuance of the "concept shift" you mentioned. I thought it may have been possible as well for this migration to have "mingled" with other encounters of migratory pre historic or pre dynastic tribes along the way, in Asia and Africa, eventually continuing toward South America. Some 30,000 or odd years or so, there was this great flood that interdicted this co habitation and did great destruction to the island “continents” and human life, as similarly described in Crowley's account of “Atlas”, And of course, another flood would have occurred later in time that affected the Atlantians, where the pre historic Egyptians evolved into an advanced society, and held on to their more ancient mystic roots as well, which spawned the 1st Dynasty of "Modern" Pharaohs. There is remaining heavy volcanic activity in places like the Canary Islands and Italy, which may have been part of the chain of geological events that occurred in that part of the world.
Also, the ancient legend has it that there was an ocean current that moved through the Pacific Ocean from Antarctica toward the west coast of South America, and Easter Island. That current could also have been responsible for migrations toward Easter Island and South America, where monuments and statues were found even in the highlands of Peru, at 12,000 feet, speculated as early as 12,000 years old, by German archeologists, remarkably similar to that of Polynesia. So it kind of worked both ways, according to these legends. Then I guess the rest of the question becomes who, what , where, why, and how?
What also interests me is the claims made by the Leakey’s and those kind of people who supposed they found the origins of the evolvement of the "human species" in Africa. But when you consider how much dirt has been dug, there was never any mention by this scientific community that I am aware of, that suggested there may also be this type of evidence underneath the world's oceans. So, taking that into consideration, what they have unearthed in terms of digging, only covers the sharp end of a pin, compared to the land mass of the Earth, especially underneath it's oceans.
Some of that can be speculated on by knowing that these peoples definitely had the talent and the ability to navigate these vast expanses of ocean with pin point accuracy.
Permalink Reply by Sid Diver on Some good info, there. Cheers. Many cultures around the world include the myth that there were non-human pre-inhabitants in the various lands that people migrated to. Or that the cultures were themselves truly aboriginal and just emerged from the soil. The earth has been through so many upheavals over 10s of 1,000s of years. There is so much out there yet to be discovered - under the seas, up mountains, in the deserts. We've no idea what it will tell us, or what it will disprove.
But I'm willing to not agree with your explanation of the 'concept shift' of where Mu/Lemuria was. It wasn't due to succeeding generations of story tellers moving across the world and placing the sunken land 'in the east', which thus altered its location as the story moved west. Lemuria only changed location from the Indian Ocean to the Pacific within 19/20th Century theory, when supporters of Mu were looking for any evidence to backup their ideas. This was long after the (ancient) mythologies existed.
Trouble with the navigation theory - only those who didn't drown lived to record their story. The incompetent sailors are not remembered, and succeeders are historically inclined to boast.
Permalink Reply by Celticlass...FAERIE QUEEN on I am just ENJOYING both of you gents posts immensley!!!
Permalink Reply by Dave Pellani on The incompetent sailors are not remembered, and succeeders are historically inclined to boast.
Are you referring to drunken sailors, by any chance? Maybe too much Kava out there on the high seas....
I am inclined to have an interest in the comparison both theories, and that later efforts to rationalize any of this, east or west, would be no more or less relevant than the more ancient theories.
But one thing we know for sure, is that something was going on out there a hell of a long time ago. The closest thing I can come to anything scientific in the east is a lost city underneath the ocean near Guam ,which is speculated to be 10,000 years gone by
Permalink Reply by Victor Night on Permalink Reply by Celticlass...FAERIE QUEEN on YIKES! It seemed to have,indeed!
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I say something like this, the crazies demand proof that Plato wrote about it to praise Athens, to prove that its not fairy aliens. You write this, you get thanked. Alas.
Thanks Sid. Great post. Glad someone else has actually read the account.