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I believe the perpetual state of war that simmers as we go about our quiet pagan life is about to boil over; once again.

Pagan people are all different, coming at things from their personal points of view backed by what they believe.

Some are more accepting of war as a natural part of living - others vehemently against joining conflict.

Does anything change in your practice once we're full on involved - boots on the ground deployed?

Does your practice have a "call to arms", predisposing you to enlist?

Is there anything in your power (Prayer, devotion, magik, whatever you got!) that can help bring us back from the brink?

Do you prefer peace over war at any cost?

Do you see justification in war, a global police action - peace by force of arms?

I've read that nobody really wins a war - yet I am aware of families and corporations that appear to have benefited quite a bit from war.

Hell, there's some families still spending the money they made off the civil war - get your head around that for a second. Come to think of it the navy needs 59 new cruise missiles. Wonder what they cost these days?

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Interesting topic!  I like the way you tie current events to a Pagan perspective.

 

I identify with secular pantheism (also known as naturalistic pantheism), which is not an organized religion and which seeks to explain the concept of "god/s" in terms of the workings of the natural world and universe. 

 

Does anything change in your practice once we're full on involved - boots on the ground deployed?

 

No. 

 

Does your practice have a "call to arms", predisposing you to enlist?

 

No.

 

Is there anything in your power (Prayer, devotion, magik, whatever you got!) that can help bring us back from the brink?

 

The only thing in my power is to speak out against ignorance.

 

Do you prefer peace over war at any cost?

 

No.

 

Do you see justification in war, a global police action - peace by force of arms?

 

Whenever the U.S. acts alone as world policeman, it seems that existing situations only get worse.  However, I don't object to humanitarian efforts involving military actions which require international agreement and cooperation.

 

I've read that nobody really wins a war - yet I am aware of families and corporations that appear to have benefited quite a bit from war.

 

Our current President is already personally benefiting from his recent missile attack on Syria (which accomplished virtually nothing).  Trump has stock in Raytheon, which manufactures our tomahawk missiles.  Raytheon's stock has risen significantly since Trump's missile attack, and the U.S. will now need to place more orders with Raytheon to replenish the missiles that were used in the attack.

 

Hell, there's some families still spending the money they made off the civil war - get your head around that for a second. Come to think of it the navy needs 59 new cruise missiles. Wonder what they cost these days?

 

"It will cost at least $70 million to replace the cruise missiles that the U.S. military rained on Syrian targets Thursday night.  Each Tomahawk missile, made by Raytheon Co. (RTN) costs between $1 million and $1.4 million."  Click link below for more.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/this-is-how-much-it-will-...

Our current President is already personally benefiting from his recent missile attack on Syria (which accomplished virtually nothing).  Trump has stock in Raytheon, which manufactures our tomahawk missiles.  Raytheon's stock has risen significantly since Trump's missile attack, and the U.S. will now need to place more orders with Raytheon to replenish the missiles that were used in the attack.

Such blatant unethical conflict of interest.  Impeachable material to be sure.  I wouldn't be surprised if Der Trumpster profits hugely on his actions in office, then steps down citing 'health concerns'.  The fat fuck.  Are Trump supporters feeling stupid yet?

The information comes from Trump's earlier financial disclosures.  But (as we know) Trump has been reluctant to release his full financial information since he entered the presidential race, and even after having been elected.  No doubt there are more conflicts of interest.

 

This is more than somewhat serious.  The American people have a right to know whether the nation is being steered in a direction meant to profit Trump and his associates (both domestic and foreign). 

 

Are Trump supporters feeling stupid yet?

 

More likely, Trump supporters are feeling defensive. 

"More likely, Trump supporters are feeling defensive."

Let me tell you, Trumpsters will never feel defensive, at least not in my neck of the woods. They are mostly rednecks, who would just as soon go to war.

 

It is not how we feel about Trump now.  I have no say because I did not vote.  Now I can safely say that I dont feel foolish voting for the wrong President.  That is is not the issue, issue on hand is he committed an act of war, so now we sit back and wait to the out come.

Where trade does not cross borders, armies do.

Without diplomacy, there is no other option but war (i.e. the current decimation of the State Department).

While technically all wars are avoidable, some will happen anyway because people are stubborn and choose badly.

There is no shame in defending one’s self, one’s family, and one’s community.

There is shame in gratuitous destruction, and the unnecessary taking of life.

Victory in war is not by the size of your gun, but by the proper application of deception to misdirect your opponent’s force. The best way to win a war is to find a way not to fight it.

Robert McNamara was Secretary of Defense during the Vietnam War. He learned some valuable lessons from the experience that our leaders today need to reflect upon. McNamara made many mistakes, and hindsight is 20-20. He learned from his mistakes and so can we. Here are the 11 lessons from the documentary entitled “The Fog of War-11 Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara.”

Lesson #1: Empathize with your enemy.
Lesson #2: Rationality alone will not save us.
Lesson #3: There’s something beyond one’s self.
Lesson #4: Maximize efficiency.
Lesson #5: Proportionality should be a guideline in war.
Lesson #6: Get the Data.
Lesson #7: Belief and seeing are both often wrong.
Lesson #8: Be prepared to reexamine your reasoning.
Lesson #9: In order to do good, you may have to engage in evil.
Lesson #10: Never say never.
Lesson #11: You can’t change human nature.

Would this have been of any help to General William Westmoreland during the Tet offensive in 1968? He told the Pentagon he could win the Tet offensive with an additional 100 000 soldiers, which they responded by firing him, as winning the war was not his job. The whole point of the Vietnam war was to gain as many battle hardened soldiers as the military could get, as the Pentagon was nervous that if the Soviets launched an attack on Alaska with their mostly basically trained conscripted soldiers, but with overwhelming numbers, would the US military be able to defend Alaska with a smaller but professional army, although light on experience, and every armies worst nightmare, as old soldiers get old, experience and tactics change.

The only way you can learn theses things is by having your young soldiers fight in other peoples wars. Its a bit late if the same kind of soldiers attack your country, and you don't have them.

If you can create a reservoir of battle hardened soldiers, you can call upon, then you can slam M16 rifles in their hands, and say defend your country, and they are far superior to basically trained inexperienced conscripts, or at least give you an edge when fighting another professional army. As long as either the Chinese or the Soviets were prepared to back the Viet Cong, the war could have gone on forever. which suited the Pentagon as the British and the French had been fighting in Jungles for over hundred years, but how do you fight a technological war in a Jungle? Is the M16 rifle any good, napalm, agent orange, the Helicopter?

So your Lesson #9: In order to do good, you may have to engage in evil. Seems to be the whole raison d'être for being there.

If the politics of this age were hidden, what do you think is going on in the 21st Century?

You make some very good points.

"Does anything change in your practice once we're full on involved - boots on the ground deployed?"

Not really. I do say a little prayer for the safe return of those who signed up to defend our country, but, always end policing some shithole for someone else's interest.

"Does your practice have a "call to arms", predisposing you to enlist?"

I'm a non-aggressionist, which means, I believe force should only be used in defense.

"Is there anything in your power (Prayer, devotion, magik, whatever you got!) that can help bring us back from the brink?"

There's too many players in this event for that.

"Do you prefer peace over war at any cost?"

Yes, I prefer peace to war, but, not at any cost. That would be more in the practice of pacifism, which, isn't the same as a non-aggressionism.

Do you see justification in war, a global police action - peace by force of arms?

Do I see justification in interventionism? No.

"Wonder what they cost these days?"

Around a million a piece.

War/conflict is an inevitability. Its human nature to create conflict. We may not be fighting over food or legitimate habitability, but the need to create conflict is ingrained in our humanity. We've been fighting since we crawled out of the caves, and I suspect we'll be fighting right up until our world blows up (literally/metaphorically). 

Does anything change in my practice because of conflict? No. I don't see why it would. The conflict (at this point) isn't on my doorstep, so there isn't a need to alter my practice as a result.

Is there anything I can do to bring us back? No, it's bigger than me alone. If anythings to bring us back from the brink, it'd have to be a communal effort. EVERYONE has to do something together, not just one or two people alone

Do I prefer peace over war? What I prefer is moot. My preference doesn't run the world.

Do I see justification in war? Sometimes I do. Do I fully support war? No, but I support the people who have jobs to do; the grunts who either have to do what they're told or spend time in confinement.

There will always be someone who benefits from war. Actually, EVERYONE benefits from war, as sadistic as that might sound. War creates jobs, because there's a need. Needs create businesses, businesses create jobs, jobs create revenue, revenue stimulates the economy. Whether or not you're directly involved in a conflict, you're benefiting from it in some way. 

Whether or not you're directly involved in a conflict, you're benefiting from it in some way.

 

Tell that to our Gold Star families. 

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