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What Four winds/ directions/ elements have you heard of?

I have been wicca/pagan for 20+ years, and recently have been hunting for the "correct" associations for the directions, after reading the article my Mike Nichols, "Rethinking the Watchtowers". I have always found these associations for the winds: North/Boreas, East/Eurus, South/Notus, and West/Zephyrus. Reading a really old book (The New Pantheon, W. Jilliard Horte, 1825) today on Greek Gods, he lists them the same, except for South, listed as AUSTER, not Notus. Could Notus be from the Roman pantheon, not Greek? Could this guy just be incorrect? Just wanted to know if anyone can clarify this for me!!

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His own Tradition has the directions Earth/East, etc. I think it's the way it should be, like you said he puts forth a good argument for it. I have been on the hunt for the 8 different winds/directions, and was suprised to see this discrepancy. I wonder how Notus got mixed up with the Greek winds, if it's from the Roman pantheon? Weird.

Karantha

 

Sumerians also had a concept of four winds.

 

I put Notus into wikipedia and was redirected to the Anemoi, or the four cardinal winds. Notus seemed to be of the South wind. Auster is merely his Roman equivalent.

Auster is the Greek, son of Aeolis, along with Boreas, Zephyrus, and Eurus. I think Notus and Anemoi may be the Roman equivalent. Either that, or this guy that wrote the book has them all mixed up!!!  That is why I'm puzzled....

I don't really believe anything on Wiki anymore, since they have been pulling pagan posts

Karantha

What are you talking about with the pagan posts?

They have been taking down any info given by pagan-oriented people, saying they are not a "relevant source" or "not qualified", etc. on many pagan topics. This has happened to many pagans who posted to the site, including the people at Pagan Newswire Collective, which many of them have journalism degrees. They were considered "Non-Notable" and their perspectives were selected for deletion by Wiki. This is happening repeatedly on Wiki, and someone even joked, that this is why Ronald Hutton will not say what his religion is. There was a link to the whole controversy on The Wild Hunt blog.

Karantha

Hm, I'd have to take a look at it. They want anthropological sources me thinks. But like I said I'd have to look.

Karantha,

 

There is no true right, there is only what is right for you.  So do what feels natural and don't worry about it changing next time.

 

Firewae

I  think it depends upon who you reference, Hesiod, Homer, etc. for what Gods are given. One other old book (The Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography, Smith, 1849) lists the winds as sons of Astreaus and Eos, and they are Boreas, Eurus, HESPERUS, and Zephyrus.

The other book I read (Greek and Roman Mythology, Fox, 1916) lists them like we know them, with NOTOS as the south, although (with respect to the Greek isles) he is described as a very "watery" figure, covered in mists, and able to control the fog and tempests. 

It's interesting how they change, depending on the (ancient) person cited, they each have a different view of the different Gods. At least I found a reference to Notos, which is what I was looking for. Now on to the hunt for the cross-quarter winds!!

Do you think these differences may be because of regional differences? Or just the discrepancies in the collection of the old stories?

Karantha

UPDATE!!

I stopped by the library yesterday, and pulled out one more, more current book on Greek mythology, and found out some interesting things.

Auster IS the Roman equivalent for Notos, along with (R): West/Favonius, North/Aquilo, and East/Eurus (yes the same one). 

HESPERUS (Roman: Vesper)  was the Greek God of the Evening Star, with EOSPHORUS (Roman: Lucifer/Phosphorus) as the Morning star.

I think there are many regional differences with regards to the old stories, and this is just another authors take on trying to work out the Greek Gods family trees. He also went so far as to say that Austrailia was named after AUSTER!! Whether that's true, I don't know!

If anyone has any leads on the cross-quarter winds, I would appreciate it!! On-line search engines don't come up with much, and what is there doesn't sound right to me. So far, I haven't found much in the books I have.

Karantha 

Thank you, sir, for this! I will add it to the collection of other old books I have on file. I have been researching the fundamentals of circle practice, as I like to know EXACTLY what I am doing, and whom I am calling, the how, and why, etc. It just always seemed strange to me the way Wicca seems to be an amalgam of different cultures, and I would like to know why. After reading the   Re-thinking the Watchtowers from Mike Nichols, it got me thinking of how others do things. His "Air in the North" thing seems to make a whole lot of sense to me.

Thanks again, Karantha

Cold wind blows from the north

Hot wind from the south

The winds of the east are mild

The winds of the west are wild 

 

(The Greek pantheon predates the Roman)

 

Earth - the builder of life

Fire - The renwer and destroyer

Water - the sustainer 

Air - the prime life source

(Spirit - at the center of the cross)

 

 

From my ancient Faery Tradition...

 

Boreas / North / Black Water / Naelyan ( Dragon ) / Neksa / Undines

 

Eurius / East / Yellow Air / Sairys / Paralda / Sylphs

 

Notus / South / White Fire / Fafnir / Djinn / Salamanders

 

Zephrus / West / Red Earth / Grael / Gob / Gnomes

 

Greeks and Romans , just adopted , or changed our

old ways and paradigms...;)

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