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Blessings All....

Aspects of Pentagrammaton,
And the Masculine assignment of Christianity...
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Blessings,
I guess this topic will raise eyebrows a bit...
Sure we understand that a pentagram represents the elemental factors...
But there is more than this...
A pentagram represents the completion of tetragrammaton,Which is assigned to the elements...
Its also a figure related to Mars,And several other aspects...
But chiefly,It represents the completion of tetragrammaton,The four elements,There by raising the fifth aspect of the pentagram,The spirit point...
Tetragrammaton is also assigned to the twelve astrological natures...
And is a Notariqon,Like a form of shorthand...
So to say IHVH,Is taking the first letters of four words,And making a magical formula if you will...
326,Yashua...= Pentagrammaton...
The aspect of Pentagrammaton also i feel that is important,
ABRA HA DABRA, This is a key of pentagrammaton...
418 = ABRA HA DABRA, And there will be those that feel this is childhood fantasy...
But in all actuality The word ABRA HA DABRA is a key to manifesting the works of pentagrammaton...
It incorporates a masculine and a feminine aspect of the deity...
So this work is much deeper than meets the eye...
And could be spoken on in much greater detail here,
But the point of this discussion should not get away from us...

Several years ago i learned that the aspect of pentagrammaton was titled yashua...
And by translation this means Jesus...
So i thought many nights to myself of the importance of such...

The first thing i thought was,What would the Christians think?
Then i thought,What does this mean to me as a Eclectical witch?
But it became clearer in time...
And the loss of comprehension of these points is given to the mis-guidance of the church,and powers that be...
To me it revolves into the fact that christianity has been manipulated,And then in turn,We as
Pagan,Or witches etc...gain a bias upon christianity,But its not christianity that the bias is given to...
Its the factors that manipulate what christianity has grown to represent...
My point in this,is that the early teachings of christianity were much as what we consider witchcraft today...
And the aspect of pentagrammaton's title being Yashua,Is the point exactly...
A pentagram represents the life,As a cross represents the sacrifice.
But the point also should become that we need to examine the bias we have grown to know...
There are not many christians that want to hear that a pentagram means jesus...
But there are many wiccans that would feel the same...
This takes me right back to another point,Why would it matter?
Because its a twist of a tale that isnt being told...
In the long run,These factors are irrelevant.
Because in the nature of faith in a persons life,All the bias,And titles become washed away...
And this is a place found on the inside...
Not in conformity,Not on Sunday...
Who is wrong,And who is right,We are all wrong as long as we allow our self's to consider such...
The devotion,And involvement within the grace of divinity,renders us beyond such points...
But there has to be reflection,A perspective for people to gain a better understanding of they're
grounding,They're path,They're union...
How is it that one can express such points and remain within they're divine self's...
So this is a discussion correct?
Blessings
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I see alot of interesting topics hit this board,Thank you all for such...
I wanted to speak on a topic that bears interest i feel...
There have been many questionable revelations in my studies threw the years..
And this topic has been one of them,Understanding that the christian practice has been assigned to the solar energy,In the masculine trinity...
I can see many perspectives of why this manipulation was performed,And that comes down to Greed,
And Control...
Working a rite of a solar perspective would be calling upon financial gain...
I hate to point fingers,and im truly not trying to Disrespect the common perspective of what Christianity amounts to with many people,There are many people i know that profess Christianity,That are good people,Attempting to stay in the churches good graces so to speak...
But here we are again,the church of Christianity...
This does not come down to a statement to the church goers,This is a statement to the church itself..."The Church" lol...
And i will go as far as to include the Government,Of the US...
Things that become obvious is that the Church and government are hand in hand in this to a large level...
Thats why we see a Pentagon in our nations capital...
Thats why over 90 % of the US. presidents have belonged to the Masonic order,Etc....
The government understands that there is more to the concept of Christianity than will,Or has been expressed in society by them,And the Church...
I believe the church's hand has been forced on this perspective from early on...
But still,Lets try to understand this on another level...
If there was one rite that fell in line with what someone would,Or could consider satanism,It would be assigned to the solar perspective,In Omo satan...
So does this go deeper than Money?
Many things that are easily understood,The grand scale of Sol being 666,The number of the Beast lol...
The point here could be that Christianity has been formatted to lead the masses into satanism :)
How many people will enjoy this discussion?
Its not in haste i bring this topic to the table,I love the nature that spirituality brings to this world...
But there is a point here beyond the mentioned above...
The message of Jesus was much like what we consider witchcraft today...
Meditation,Circle casting,Astral,Etc...
These things are true,And it must render us with a larger perspective of who we are...
So its not Christianity that is bias,Its the controlling factors of rulers...
In this way we should consider the depths of our relation to christianity...
Or better stated,Maybe Christians should consider they're relation to earth bound study...
Celestial or what you would say,Eclectic is the path,Not conformity...
All things make up the whole.
But this is a discussion format right...
L&L
Donnie
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Please fill free to start discussion formats...On what ever level you feel of bearing here...Thank you all,L&L

Started by Donnie Rose,Mansions of the Moon Dec. 13, 2008.

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Comment by Laurie on February 7, 2009 at 12:14pm: Iam in total agreement with you on this one.I feel this everyday and I know that with my experiances that is exactly what led me to this belief system.Blessed Be Donnie and thankyou for this statement.

Comment by Lady Adara on December 15, 2008 at 5:10pm: Donnie:

I have always believed that things should be discussed openly and by seeing other points of view we can learn as long as we keep an open mind and remain respectful.

You are correct... it is very inviting a there is always a positive energy about open dialogue...

I look forward to reading your discussion.

Dark Blessings,

Lady Adara

Comment by Donnie Rose,Mansions of the Moon on December 15, 2008 at 2:40pm: Hello,
Lady Adara,You present these types of discussions on the front text of this group,And it makes me feel that many people will feel the energy of this,Its a thing where we all have a chance to communicate,And it makes the atmosphere feel inviting....
And im thankful more that...
As im sure others will be as well...
Im heading off to start a discussion on the main board,
I think i will title it,Does everything happen for a reason....
I love the contact so to speak...
Hope you all will stop in there as well...
Blessings...
L&L

Comment by Lady Adara on December 14, 2008 at 10:51pm: You are most welcome, Donnie:

Every once in a while I have a moment of genius... I guess that was it for the weekend... I would not want to stress my brain out too much... it may make me dull witted and give my children and edge over me... that could prove to be disasterous... they might con me into eating ice cream for breakfast...

Fortunately or unfortunately my sentence of almost 9 years in Catholic school taught me much about the religion... and in order to argue with the parents about why I did not want to be a Catholic and explain how being a Pagan is not evil or the work of the devil, I had to sit and analyze much about both to come up with intelligent arguments... Well... the parental units did not consider them intelligent, of course, but it did leave the nuns and priests speechless....

Thank you for inviting me... and all o f my responses are brutally honest... part of being a Scorpio... I think we do not come with a filter between head and mouth...

Dark Blessings,

Lady Adara

Comment by Donnie Rose,Mansions of the Moon on December 14, 2008 at 6:12pm: Thank you Lady Adara,
Im really glad your here...
The things you speak on sound right on the point i have been getting at in to many ways...
Almost textbook exact in many ways...
Thank you for stopping by,And for the heartfelt response...
BB,L&L....

Comment by Lady Adara on December 14, 2008 at 12:36pm: Greetings Donnie:

I love this statement you made:

So its not Christianity that is bias,Its the controlling factors of rulers...
In this way we should consider the depths of our relation to christianity...
Or better stated,Maybe Christians should consider they're relation to earth bound study...

I was raised Catholic and even went to Parochial schools for many years... and in my studies there and my own personal studies after finding my path as a Witch, I have to agree with your statement.

At the beginning the Church as we know it did not exist... there were very little "rules" and the basic teachings were to look inward and upwards towards a divine being for guidance... the early Christians were not organized under one all powerful leader any more than us Pagans are today... they were nothing more than individuals groups who shared similar beliefs... they were humble peaceful and preached love and tolerance...

It was only after the Church became the ruling body of Europe in conjunction with political leaders that it started evolving into what we see today...

Let us not forget the Pagan roots of many of their holidays or holy days... Christmas is Yule... Easter is Beltaine....

And let us not forget that many Christian churches were built on the foundation, literally of Pagan places of worship... in an attempt to get the local Pagans to come to the "New Religion's" services...

There was a time when both Paganism and Christianity existed hand in hand with very little conflict, socially or personally...

It was rulers, both political and religious who made the Church what it is today... it was turned into a way to control society and profit financially as well... Indulgences were sold by the Church at one point... indulgences were papers that guaranteed a person's entrance into the Christian heaven... depending on what the sin committed was dictated the price of this indulgence... making the Church a very rich establishment.

This still occurs to some degree... I come from a Catholic Cuban family and although they would never admit it, many beliefs they have are not what one would call Christian... my family has many practices that are of Pagan origin... my mother lights candles when she is praying for something very important to her... she believes in amulets against the evil eye... and there are many such examples...

I personally believe that there is much similarities in most faiths if one wants to learn about them and look for these similarities...

Dark Blessings,

Lady Adara

Comment by Donnie Rose,Mansions of the Moon on December 13, 2008 at 2:56pm: Hi LilyRose...
Well this topic isnt a statement of the aspect of faiths place..
Faith comes on a different level for everyone,And a text,Or script will never render one with the aspect of faith i feel,Thats from within...But i realize thats not the
total bearing of your address below...
These things i speak of above are something to generate a discussion format...
That i feel will,Or could generate many avenues of direction...
But there is substance to these issues trust me...
And on what ever level or direction this may go,Your invited to join in...
Thats why i asked you...
I hope we all can find a level headed approach to this discussion,And,Or whats to come of it....
(((Maybe it's just me. I can't make sense of what your point is. I'll tell ya, I'm beginning to think that the most important thing in spirituality is the ability to simply attach yourself to some "Belief system")))
In a way this holds bearing,Lets call a perspective Eclectic...
But the belief system is the personal aspect,do you agree?
Its different for each person on so many levels...
But thats as it should be,Not a set form of conformist practices...
The creative mind is a driving force in each magus...
Without personal creative nature one will not find the inner self...
The As we all walk in chaos right lol....
And as far as the obnoxious thing goes,That would be your call,I dont take your statement as disrespectful...
If that was the case why would you be here correct?
You say your not connecting,Thats fine,Maybe if you stay in the discussion there will be fruit....
The topics render a large spectrum of directions,And its not intended to remain focused around pointing fingers at Gov. Or christian factors,Its the consideration of a perspective of unity,That has been suppressed for way to long...
But im glad you speak your heart...
This forum will be based around positive communication...
And i happy your here..
BB,L&L...

Comment by Donnie Rose,Mansions of the Moon on December 12, 2008 at 2:26pm: Nice,
Im so glad to see you all here...
And im glad you like the format...
Owl,You ask why the eye lol,It was a random act actually...But its interesting how it may be fitting as well,Its the one symbol reflected by the government that expresses they're involvement with the Illuminati lol...That will be another discussion all together,Well,Maybe not...This could be the perfect forum for such a topic.Its so arcane though,The subject would render people repeating topics,And opinions that have already been beaten into the ground...
Its really nice to see everyone expressing they're interest,And just maybe this group will hold substance lol...
I realize the topics are going to leave things open to a large spectrum of discussion avenues,But thats a good thing a feel...
Im really happy to have a opportunity to speak with all of you...
Blessings all...

Comment by Boris the Spider on December 12, 2008 at 1:05am: Thank you for invite, I will have some input on this subject when I get more time. I have studied history in many respects over the course of time, and have learned alot in the process.
Very good subject to bring up ,and I will enjoy the responses.
Peace and Happiness to you all.

Comment by Vicki on December 12, 2008 at 12:07am: Thankyou for the invite Donny, if I didn't have to get up at 5 am I would comment more. This is a good topic and one that I have contemplated myself. Thanks again and I'll be back :) BB