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Letter to the editor: "No service for sinners!"

Letter to the editor of the Bristol Herald Courier in response to this article:

To the Editor,

"No service for sinners!" I think I may be in trouble. Based on an article I read in the paper regarding religious freedom legislation in Virginia, I'm left to assume that because I'm on my second marriage, and lived with my current wife before we were wed, and I have homosexual friends, and I work on Sunday, and I cuss, and I've done a good handful of other unbiblical acts that I'd rather not share here, I'm left to assume that one by one businesses, churches, and maybe even some government agencies may just shut the door on me. Still good enough to pay taxes though. That's one thing they'll gladly let us sinners do. Republicans love to count that money!

It's a good thing that Jesus ate with sinners, and stated that he's come to call the sinners, not the righteous. Because when all this is said and done, Jesus may be the only one left that will hold the door open for me. I wonder what it's like to be like VA Delegate Todd Gilbert, Mike Huckabee, and the others, and be perfect and without sin? Surely they must be perfect, because why would they support legislation that would deny sinners the privileges of society? Otherwise wouldn't that be like shooting yourself in the foot?

If being a Christian means spending eternity with these people, then I'll pass. But I suppose I've got nothing to worry about, because it seems only perfect people can call their selves Christians these days. Seems contrary to what I read in my bible, but maybe they've printed a revised one on that I'm unaware of. Still I wonder, why does it seem religious freedom only applies to Christians? Well, perhaps the answer is that only perfection is entitled to freedom. What a shame.


(name withheld from internet post)

Last time I wrote something along these lines that waited and ran it on a Sunday. He're hoping this letter will also find favor with the editor.

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Comment by Enigma on February 18, 2016 at 7:49am

"...and I work on Sunday..."

This made me laugh because it reminded me of a Pentecostal coworker from many years ago. We were asked to work on Sunday and he replied, “I’m not going to Hell for time-and-a-half pay.” So they offered him double-time pay and he agreed to work. I guess he would go to Hell for double-time.

Comment by SIN JONES on February 18, 2016 at 10:30am

I live in VA and am a Humanist Minister.  I can decline to marry anyone and those people can jump off a short peer if they think they can make me otherwise.

It's not 'freedom' if you're strong armed to comply.  I'd expect a fundamental Judeo-Christian minister to decline to perform a same-sex marriage.  It's not like there aren't other choices out there.  There's Gay Catholic Priests that would be more than happy to perform the service.  There's humanist ministers like myself, there's Angelicans that wouldn't bat an eyelash at it.  Thing is, why do people want to force these people into compliance and call it freedom?

I think people have lost sight of what the Constitution was written for.  What it was meant to do for the individual citizen.

Comment by Moon Shadow on February 18, 2016 at 11:06am

My gripe isn't with ministers and churches per se. I'll actually stand with a ministers right not to marry someone if he/she doesn't want to, even though I may not agree with their reasons. My gripe is with public businesses and government agents that cite religious freedom to deny public businesses services to not just homosexual people, but sinners in general.

And if you were to have read the article linked to, you'd see it also has to do with not only homosexual issues, but sins of different natures, including but not limited to, having premarital sex, living outside of wedlock, etc.

Where do we draw the line SIN? What kind of sin is acceptable to begin cutting off goods and services? Do deny people who don't honor their fathers and mothers? Do we deny people who don't place the Judeo-Christian God above all others? Should businesses turn away women who wear trousers? Men who wear skirts?

But my biggest gripe is the judgmental nature of those involved. What about the individual rights of those you don't agree with? Do they not count?

You don't want to marry people... that's your right. And you take the correct course of action by not marring ANYONE then. Bakers who don't want to bake cakes for homosexuals, or those who have had premarital sex shouldn't bake cakes for other sinners as well. Nobody is perfect (despite the sarcasm in my letter). We start cutting off services for sinners, and nobody gets served. Bottom line, if you're in business, and cant treat people fairly, then you need to stop doing business.

Its a slippery slope. Lets see how you like it when the DMV rep denies your drivers license citing his or her "religious freedom".

Again... where do we draw the line? And who is justified in judging where that line should be drawn? Who is worthy to judge?

Chill out, this problem is much larger than conservative ministers not wanting to marry people, it gets into the very fabric of secular commerce.

Comment by Moon Shadow on February 18, 2016 at 11:19am

And what of the religious freedom of Muslims? They are... after all the modern day "witches" of our culture. They can't even pray without creating a federal case. Bristol TN residents protested a few months back regarding the teaching of the EDUCATIONAL aspect of the three Abrahamic religions, that being Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The hypocrites took NO ISSUE with the teaching of Christianity, but took it to the streets at the audacity of even mentioning Islam in a public school. Must suck to be the one poor little Muslim kid in that school system.

Hypocrites... they're all hypocrites!

Comment by Moon Shadow on February 18, 2016 at 12:02pm

Lets take it a step further... what about hospitals and doctors? What would be said if a homosexual was sent to the ER with chest pains, and the only doctor on duty cited "religious freedom" in his refusal to operate? Could also be bad news of Pagan witches. You know... "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". Doctor Righteous says "let em die! I ain't giving that sinner no heart bypass!"

Yeah, I think that's what America is all about. Jesus would be proud too!

"But Moon Shadow... THAT'S different!"


"Well, just go to a different hospital!"

Well what if that's the only hospital for many many miles...? You know with many emergencies every second counts!

Comment by SIN JONES on February 18, 2016 at 1:56pm

There's no line to be drawn.  A business owner provides a service, but maybe that service isn't intended for everyone.

Like those girlie clothing stores that don't carry men's wear.  They call it 'Specialty' to ensure it doesn't cause lines in the sand.

The same could be true for a bakery.  I think it's absurd to require a Bakery to post "Specializing in Christian bake ware" but it seems it's going to be a requirement.  Plenty of small business owners have been sued out of business for refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding or draw "Heil Hilter' in frosting.  Either you have freedom or you don't.

I don't think it's different at all.

If you're an Atheist, it be stupid to complain about restricted services in a Catholic Hospital, don't you think?

Comment by Moon Shadow on February 18, 2016 at 4:20pm
If you were an atheist in my hypothetical situation you wouldn't be able to complain because you'd be dead.

*sighs* You're missing my point. It's not about law and legislation, its these holier than thou attitudes and hearts full of hate. If people would just be kind to one another none of this would be necessary.

Wasted breath I know. And all this from a religion based on Gods love? Well what ever. We'll just have to agree to disagree I guess. Its a real shame that people just can't get along, and everyone has to constantly brow beat everyone else.
Comment by Layla Rose on February 23, 2016 at 2:09am

I understand what you mean Moon Shadow. It's the hate & judgment. The lack of tolerance that so many people have. It's the tolerance, or lack thereof, that you wish could or would change, not people's personal rights or freedoms.

Comment by SIN JONES on February 23, 2016 at 12:55pm

People have been saying this for centuries.  How is it not brow-beating to demand everyone be so darn tolerant? 

Let's talk Pedophilia, then all the intolerance is shown.  Is it hate?  Or could it be that there's just things in this life you refuse to tolerate?

Comment by Moon Shadow on March 22, 2016 at 1:47am

Update: after doing some soul searching on this subject, I've decided that this type of response (the letter) wasn't what I wanted to represent to the world. In this highly conservative area I live in, the message would have surely fallen on deaf ears anyway, and just created more enemies for myself. When the paper called to verify my entry, I let it go to voice mail, and it has yet to publish and probably wont since I didn't take the call.

It takes a lot of mental energy to stand up against these people alone, especially when it seems like you're in a region surrounded by "God's people". Future entries to public forums (like a newspaper opinion page) on this highly controversial subjects should follow the lead of many of our nations founders, and use the name of an alias.

Frankly, I just don't feel like being terminated at work, my tires slashed, and my windows busted out by "God's people".


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