Modesty and the various forms it can take seem to be a hot topic. Mostly because it’s being brought up in the context of being an artifact from Christian religion, a mental shackle that restrains one from achieving true Pagan-ness. When it’s pointed out that modesty was around, in forms such as veiling, before Christianity, the replies tend to reflect a concentration on why the veiling was done, namely as a form of oppression in male dominated cultures of yore. As though, to revive a tradition from the past one must also bring forth the cultural norms of the time as well, which I hope you agree, is a suspect attempt to invalidate the revival. Not even the re-constructionists in the Pagan community go that far.
Comment by Maris Hellfaerie (Maire) on August 10, 2012 at 5:28pm I think it is part modesty, and part lazy brains and having never really attempted to refine ones personal sexual triggers, that fence women in.
Women have learned since a long time to not be too irritated about looks, and we are taught that we can look at someone without losing self control. We have learned not to objectify a male and see them as assemby of body parts. We have learned to value attractivity that is not "manifested" in physical appeal, and we have learned to see a modestly attractive male as physically attractive if they have virtues.
We have learned to appreciate the look of an aged man.
During all this time, what did you do?
Comment by Peter Beckley on August 11, 2012 at 10:21am I'm not sure I see how any of this applies to my post, but when you essentially say the over the course of time women became perfect and men became chauvinistic and then end your comment with "the look", and "what did you do" as though I speak for all men throughout history makes me wonder if you even read the post.
Comment by Peter Beckley on August 11, 2012 at 8:02pm If any of what you've said were true, the fashion industry wouldn't exist as it does and movies like "Magic Mike" wouldn't get the press they have. The entire point of my post wasn't to "wonder" anything, but to explain why it's perfectly acceptable for a modern Pagan woman to veil herself for her own reasons. It has nothing to do with sexual triggers for them, as they've clearly stated here, here, and here, as well as a ton of other places.
To accuse them of "lazy brains" is insulting and you should be ashamed of yourself. I hope any future replies will bear some semblance of one which is thought out and not an intellectually dishonest tangent of ridiculous tripe.
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