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Permalink Reply by Tsiyeria on May 29, 2008 at 12:43am

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. Are you asking for thoughts on the meanings and implications behind the various religious symbols, or for our opinions on their validity?

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Permalink Reply by Felicity on May 29, 2008 at 2:34am

Israel is in a very harsh part of the world where lives are lost over water.
They had to be very clear about who deserved the water more.
The warriors and the beloved mothers would ensure survival of thier race.

They are what they are and not everyone has to be enamoured with thier ideals.

I can understand that thier way makes sense to them from where they have come from.

I have trouble with the witchy circle garb (black velvet and corsets)
Yet it really seems to appeal to some people.
In my opinion the witches of the medieval times were just wearing their current fashions.


.....I'm only wearing black untill they make something darker. :)

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Permalink Reply by Pat Riley on May 29, 2008 at 11:00am

I don't wear black unless I'm going to a funeral. I am certainly a more colorful dresser any way. But What I am trying to get across here is that the Christian symbolisms are of predators and torture devices Certainly not nice symbols for a religion that professes to teach love and kindness.

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Permalink Reply by Pat Riley on May 29, 2008 at 10:57am

I'm asking what is your opinion of religious symbols Every time I see a cross I think of the bloody history of that symbol Just as I think about how bloody the History of The Christian religion has been. The same with their symbol of a Lion, a symbol of Predatory beings in my opinion. The Symbols of the Christian Church are predatory Do you agree or not?

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Permalink Reply by Kaellanna on May 29, 2008 at 11:48am

Lions have traditionally been used as a symbol of strength. Solar deities are often associated with lions. It is not a unique symbol of the Christians.

Many of the Christian symbols relate to the early history of the church when the followers of that religion were persecuted and put to death, many times by crucifixion or by wild beasts (such as lions). When I was young I was taught that these symbols were of things the faithful had overcome--symbols of adversity overcome.

I don't think the symbols they use are any better or any worse than the symbols of any other religion. I have problems with many people who call themselves Christians (I would dispute their claim), not with the religion itself.

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Permalink Reply by Pat Riley on May 29, 2008 at 3:15pm

o.k. Maybe I'm not getting the point across. They use symbols of Torture and of predatory creatures , and if you go into any Christian church to listen to how they talk about other people on any given sunday you'd see how those symbols have an opposite meaning. and are totally cobtradictory to their teachings which they never really follow any way. The symbols are accurate for what they really are how ever.

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Permalink Reply by Kaellanna on May 29, 2008 at 3:41pm

No you made yourself clear--I just disagree with you based on my own experience with that faith.

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Permalink Reply by Peter (Stone Warlock) on May 29, 2008 at 4:05pm

Hi Pat! I think you have summed it all up. The symbols are relative to what they are, and not what they purport to be.

Kaellana's reply is true. The original idea of the symbols was to exhibit what the religion supposedly conquered in the past. It was also a thinly veiled warning to it's followers to toe the line, failing which they would have to face the prospect of destruction wrought by those symbols, on their own.

Oh! By the way Kaellana. The Lion as a symbol of strength is not a Universal constant. In SA that symbol indicates danger, not strength. LOL

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Permalink Reply by Kaellanna on May 29, 2008 at 4:10pm

Eh, I'm a Leo--it means strength and courage for me.

Although people who have really gotten on my bad side may agree with the danger part ;-P.

Thanks for the heads up though--most of my sources don't take SA into account with their info.

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Permalink Reply by Peter (Stone Warlock) on May 29, 2008 at 4:21pm

LOL! Then I shall endevour to stay on your good side.

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Permalink Reply by Kaellanna on May 29, 2008 at 6:15pm

eh it is hard to really get on my really bad side. It certainly takes more than most people can manage online ;-P.

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Permalink Reply by Felicity on May 29, 2008 at 4:48pm

I am a leo too.

Its a Solar Sign.

and it was the pagans that fed the christians to the lions.....

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